It still boils down to coaching!!

#51
#51
InVOLuntary said:
How good Florida is remains to be seen. They have benefitted from the weakest SEC I can remember. All there losses were out of conference if that tells you anything. The SEC consist of Florida then everybody else and everybody else is very average to bad. KY is even bad. They've also been the beneficiary of a weak conference. Put them in a good conference and I think they very well could be a .500 team.
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What?
 
#54
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InVOLuntary said:
You realize I was talking about KY at .500 not FL?
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Ah, that makes sense now. I had to re-read the post. I thought you were being strangely repetitive with the "weak conference" line, but I missed the also. That one is on me.

Still, the point remains about Florida's losses; it was only 2, so saying "all their losses were out of conference" is kind of strange. It's not like they pulled a Georgia.
 
#55
#55
VolGee4 said:
I agree that coaching is not always great. But it is quite comical that when we play bad, people blame the coach for not motivating his players. Then, when we play with passion and lose, people say that the players don't need a coach to motivate them. Just ridiculous.

Yes, players do need to be motivated, even at the college level. It may not be the same kind of motivation as trying to motivate a 10 year old. It's quite simple. Our players play hard and are "motivated." The issue is the scheme is not always the best, and our offense struggles at times.
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This team lost 12 games and played in a trash league. Enough said.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Ah, that makes sense now. I had to re-read the post. I thought you were being strangely repetitive with the "weak conference" line, but I missed the also. That one is on me.

Still, the point remains about Florida's losses; it was only 2, so saying "all their losses were out of conference" is kind of strange. It's not like they pulled a Georgia.
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I'm not at all saying they're not good. What I'm trying to say is they've not been tested like some of the best teams have on a weekly basis. We don't really know how good they are.
 
#57
#57
BOP said:
They aren't the best team in the nation. If you think there are more than a few ncaa tourney teams out there that would have scored.only 14 in the 2nd half today you are sadly mistaken. If you buy into jimmy dykes garbage about that press being impossible to score on you are crazy. There are teams all over the country that would have them out of that press in 5 possessions.
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Like who, you obviously didn't watch the game. FL is the best team right now, best pg, good inside presence, and the intensity of their full court press is what makes them good.
 
#58
#58
Our players simply didn't hit their shots in the 2nd half. One thing I wish Cuonzo had done was insert at least 4 three point shooters (plus Stokes) right before the last Florida free throw. You would have to assume that Wilbekin makes the free throw (even though he didn't). That puts you down 6 with very little time left. You need two 3-pointers and you need them quick. First person with a shot takes it.
 
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SmokeyLives said:
The only way you beat a press that stifling is to go small. Insert your better ball handlers and use quickness to win in transition. You don't beat Florida with Maymon taking the ball up the floor such as he did numerous times. By the end of the 2nd half, our boys only had 20 seconds to run a play after crossing half court, and they were gassed, no legs, no shot. They played a good game, but should have won. So I am in the camp that too few adjustments were made by the coac once again.
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This. Plus officials let Florida mug and beat the hell out of Mcrae every time he tried to penetrate
 
#62
#62
darkgable said:
Bruce is not coming back. You can hate from know until the end of his show cause. Zo will still be the coach. Which puts a smile on my face for those who grovel in self pity and ridicule. It won't cause a coaching change. Point out every flaw in victory and or defeat. Zo is still here. Sign a petition. Zo is the coach.
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I love that every single thread has to revert back to CCM vs. CBP. I also love that usually CCM lovers are the ones that almost always bring up the Pearl debate. Took 3 posts in this thread.

What I took from the game is Donavon worked the refs the entire game. Our bigs were getting hacked inside every play and fouls not called. CCM should have gotten that T earlier in the second half to fire the team up. They came out flat the second half. As we can see, our bigs were getting frustrated. Working the refs is a huge part of college basketball. An area where CCM is lacking.

Nobody is going to beat FL this year shooting 2-15 from the 3. Seemed like Richardson and Moore were the once taking those clock running down 3 late in the second half. Not the players I really want taking those shots. Going into a slump during post season is not really going to help our out side shooting like Richardson has the last few games. He needs to concentrate on D the rest of the year and quit trying to create his own shot. It's obvious that something is wrong with his shoulder. His shot is off, so he needs to pass up that 3.
 
#63
#63
VFL44 said:
Then why have only two teams beat Florida this season?
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Cuz Billy D is smarter than everyone else. He knows that no team can make shots or beat a soft press. And that's simply because all the other coaches suck and need to be replaced by Bruce.:crazy:
 
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BOP said:
Because Florida obviously usually plays much better. If Florida plays like that in the ncaas they will probably lose to the 8/9 seed.
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Hmm...if they had "played better", then that would surely be CCM's fault. Horrible game planning, not motivating team, shots not going in, you know.
 
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johnnybravo said:
I love that every single thread has to revert back to CCM vs. CBP. I also love that usually CCM lovers are the ones that almost always bring up the Pearl debate. Took 3 posts in this thread.

What I took from the game is Donavon worked the refs the entire game. Our bigs were getting hacked inside every play and fouls not called. CCM should have gotten that T earlier in the second half to fire the team up. They came out flat the second half. As we can see, our bigs were getting frustrated. Working the refs is a huge part of college basketball. An area where CCM is lacking.

Nobody is going to beat FL this year shooting 2-15 from the 3. Seemed like Richardson and Moore were the once taking those clock running down 3 late in the second half. Not the players I really want taking those shots. Going into a slump during post season is not really going to help our out side shooting like Richardson has the last few games. He needs to concentrate on D the rest of the year and quit trying to create his own shot. It's obvious that something is wrong with his shoulder. His shot is off, so he needs to pass up that 3.
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Somebody gets it. Good post. Zo and no outside shooting cost that game. Zo removes the guy that made one of the threes in the first half - Reese. He then gets only 8 minutes and two shot attempts. Barton only attempts two the whole game. Thompson gets a grand total of 9 minutes and attempts none. Opponents have figured out that other than Richardson the team only wants to shoot threes or go to the hoop. Richardson is hurt so that killed that. The one time McRae faked a three, came in closer and shot a 10-12' jumper he made it. Never saw it again.

Zo is a nice guy and a good second/third level HC. He is not a first level coach. He lacks game management skills. He simply does not know how to coach any other way and is poor at adjustments. There is no excuse for not having your players' backs with the officials or anybody else. None. He lacks some recruiting skills as well. He's had 6 years as a HC and a lifetime of basketball. There are no unknowns here. It's up to him to improve himself enough to justify his job or move on.
 
#66
#66
darkgable said:
Bruce is not coming back. You can hate from know until the end of his show cause. Zo will still be the coach. Which puts a smile on my face for those who grovel in self pity and ridicule. It won't cause a coaching change. Point out every flaw in victory and or defeat. Zo is still here. Sign a petition. Zo is the coach.
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There's no hate of Zo. He said after the game on the Coach Zo show that the offense in the 2nd half was stagnant. Well who in the heck is responsible for getting the offense out of that stagnation. It's the responsibility of the coach!
 
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#67
Lerxtwood said:
There's no hate of Zo. He said after the game on the Coach Zo show that the offense in the 2nd half was stagnant. Well who in the heck is responsible for getting the offense out of that stagnation. It's the responsibility of the coach!
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Are you saying Zo hates himself?
 
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#69
johnnybravo said:
I love that every single thread has to revert back to CCM vs. CBP. I also love that usually CCM lovers are the ones that almost always bring up the Pearl debate. Took 3 posts in this thread.

What I took from the game is Donavon worked the refs the entire game. Our bigs were getting hacked inside every play and fouls not called. CCM should have gotten that T earlier in the second half to fire the team up. They came out flat the second half. As we can see, our bigs were getting frustrated. Working the refs is a huge part of college basketball. An area where CCM is lacking.

Nobody is going to beat FL this year shooting 2-15 from the 3. Seemed like Richardson and Moore were the once taking those clock running down 3 late in the second half. Not the players I really want taking those shots. Going into a slump during post season is not really going to help our out side shooting like Richardson has the last few games. He needs to concentrate on D the rest of the year and quit trying to create his own shot. It's obvious that something is wrong with his shoulder. His shot is off, so he needs to pass up that 3.
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Lol, yeah right that the so-called "Martin lovers" always make it BP vs. CM. That's complete horsecrap.
 
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#70
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jtipto10 said:
two words: halftime adjustments

we've never been great at those under CM. unfortunately Billy D is one of the best in the game at them
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Sorry, don't believe in halftime adjustments. A good coach adjusts during the game, not just at halftime.:stinker2:
GO VOLS!
 
#73
#73
BOP said:
Any team that can make shots or beat a soft press would have beaten Florida soundly today.
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Not sure that was a soft press... at least from the Vols perspective, it looked daunting. They did not respond well to the pressure and that was the difference in closing the gap.

And those two fouls near the end put this game out of reach.

No adjustments to the press... who do you put that on... coach or players? Players need to execute and get Fla out of the press, that did not happen.
 
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