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Vols' trip to Italy was useful tool for evaluation | Nooga.com


• Now that he’s playing without pain, Jeronne Maymon may inflict more pain on others.
Consider that Maymon, the 6-foot-7, 265-pound senior forward, was already capable of going for 30 points and 20 rebounds on a given night despite a couple of balky knees. Now consider he underwent offseason surgery on both those hinges. Maymon got a little run in Italy — it was an ankle sprain suffered in a pickup game, not his knees, that kept him out of the first two games — and Martin noticed the big man’s increased mobility.
“He played with great energy, moved his feet well defensively, and ran the floor well,” Martin said.
Martin also talks a lot about how Maymon, who played little his first two seasons after transferring from Marquette, has gained confidence simply by proving to himself he can play at the highest level of Division I basketball. Last season he drew considerable attention after a 32-point, 20-rebound performance against Memphis in the Maui Invitational, and he went on to average 12.7 points and 8.1 boards and shoot 56 percent from the floor.
Good health. Good frame of mind. Body even the Hulk would envy. Yep, Tennessee opponents had better lace up their kicks real tight when they joust with Maymon this season.

• Don’t be surprised to see the Vols toss a 1-3-1 zone defense into the mix in 2012-13.
You read that correctly. No, Martin a staunch proponent of the man-to-man, hasn’t gone soft. Rather, in trying out the 1-3-1 in Italy, he confirmed what he already knew — that he has the personnel at his disposal to run it effectively.
“Length and athleticism,” Martin said, “to disrupt the flow of an offense.”
Tennessee fans wanting to get a quick crash course on the 1-3-1 should look at West Virginia or Michigan game tapes when coach John Beilein was on the bench. The success of Beilein’s teams have enjoyed running the 1-3-1 has sparked a resurgence of its use.
The 1-3-1 is used to trap the ball. It’s a bit of a gambling defense in that a team that runs it is betting it can trap the ball handler and prevent him from passing over the top to a post player who would usually have a much smaller guard defending him.
With 11 players in the 6-5 to 6-9 range, the Vols can expect to smother and confuse their opponent’s ball handler, especially if the zone is used as an element of surprise.

• Freshman Armani Moore can play.
Offseason oral surgery prevented the 6-foot-5 Moore from getting on the court much in the spring, but once he got to Knoxville, he worked long hours after practice with new Tennessee strength coach Nicodemus Christopher to make up for lost time.
In Italy, Moore showed that he’s got solid ball-handling skills, isn’t afraid to dribble against aggressive three-quarter court pressure, can rebound and can shoot better than Martin and his staff originally thought.
“I couldn’t even tell (a lack of) conditioning was a factor,” Martin said of Moore’s high-energy performances in Italy. “Armani’s very crafty with the ball. He does a good job using his size. He can get guys on his hip and score. He’s also got the medium range pull-up jumper and he can knock down 3-pointers.
Moore could be an active presence at the top of a 1-3-1, but as he gains strength in the weight room, he can also be a long-armed lockdown guy in the man-to-man. And if he can give the Vols 10-15 minutes a game of worry-free backup point guard, he’ll quickly earn his scholarship.

• D’Montre Edwards takes ownership of missed shots. Edwards, a 6-6 junior college transfer, has a good chance to start at the three spot. And if he does, will anyone be able to get a rebound away from the Vols? Coupled with the Bash Brothers, Maymon and 6-8, 255-pound Jarnell Stokes, Edwards gives Tennessee a strong rebounding lineup.
“He definitely has a great shot at being a starter because of his ability to rebound and defend,” Martin said.
Tennessee coaches were impressed with Edwards’ willingness to go after rebounds out of his area and battle for offensive boards. He averaged eight a game in Italy.
Like Moore, Edwards is capable of making a 3-pointer, but he’s smart enough to realize he can get into the lane and make pull-up jumpers all day. Why that shot has becoming a dying art defies logic, because it’s close to unstoppable.
Martin wants Edwards, who weighs 210, to use the two-and-a-half months he has before the season starts to bulk up. At 220, and given his willingness to battle, Edwards could become a bad man.
 
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Glad to see my expectations for Edwarda may be spot on, sounds like he could definitely be a starter, and even if not will be a solid contributor.

Also, seems like a little zone may be a very realistic option this year in spurts. With Moore in there at the 1, and jordy and Edwards we go 6'4" 6'6" 6'6" 6'6" 6'8"...lots of length.
 
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Where is this guy getting his info on Maymon? Maymon played little his first 2 seasons at UT? He's only been at UT for 2 seasons. Went for 30 and 20 on bad knees? I didn't realize Maymon had knee issues during the pre-season touney last year. It's hard to put much faith in a guy that is wrong right out of the gate.
 
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Where is this guy getting his info on Maymon? Maymon played little his first 2 seasons at UT? He's only been at UT for 2 seasons. Went for 30 and 20 on bad knees? I didn't realize Maymon had knee issues during the pre-season touney last year. It's hard to put much faith in a guy that is wrong right out of the gate.

Obviosuly he meant his first 2 years period, not Tennessee.

And as far as his knees go, maybe CCM told him he had knee issues all year, how can you be sure that's not true?
 
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Vols' trip to Italy was useful tool for evaluation | Nooga.com


• Now that he’s playing without pain, Jeronne Maymon may inflict more pain on others.
Consider that Maymon, the 6-foot-7, 265-pound senior forward, was already capable of going for 30 points and 20 rebounds on a given night despite a couple of balky knees. Now consider he underwent offseason surgery on both those hinges. Maymon got a little run in Italy — it was an ankle sprain suffered in a pickup game, not his knees, that kept him out of the first two games — and Martin noticed the big man’s increased mobility.
“He played with great energy, moved his feet well defensively, and ran the floor well,” Martin said.
Martin also talks a lot about how Maymon, who played little his first two seasons after transferring from Marquette, has gained confidence simply by proving to himself he can play at the highest level of Division I basketball. Last season he drew considerable attention after a 32-point, 20-rebound performance against Memphis in the Maui Invitational, and he went on to average 12.7 points and 8.1 boards and shoot 56 percent from the floor.
Good health. Good frame of mind. Body even the Hulk would envy. Yep, Tennessee opponents had better lace up their kicks real tight when they joust with Maymon this season.

• Don’t be surprised to see the Vols toss a 1-3-1 zone defense into the mix in 2012-13.
You read that correctly. No, Martin a staunch proponent of the man-to-man, hasn’t gone soft. Rather, in trying out the 1-3-1 in Italy, he confirmed what he already knew — that he has the personnel at his disposal to run it effectively.
“Length and athleticism,” Martin said, “to disrupt the flow of an offense.”
Tennessee fans wanting to get a quick crash course on the 1-3-1 should look at West Virginia or Michigan game tapes when coach John Beilein was on the bench. The success of Beilein’s teams have enjoyed running the 1-3-1 has sparked a resurgence of its use.
The 1-3-1 is used to trap the ball. It’s a bit of a gambling defense in that a team that runs it is betting it can trap the ball handler and prevent him from passing over the top to a post player who would usually have a much smaller guard defending him.
With 11 players in the 6-5 to 6-9 range, the Vols can expect to smother and confuse their opponent’s ball handler, especially if the zone is used as an element of surprise.

• Freshman Armani Moore can play.
Offseason oral surgery prevented the 6-foot-5 Moore from getting on the court much in the spring, but once he got to Knoxville, he worked long hours after practice with new Tennessee strength coach Nicodemus Christopher to make up for lost time.
In Italy, Moore showed that he’s got solid ball-handling skills, isn’t afraid to dribble against aggressive three-quarter court pressure, can rebound and can shoot better than Martin and his staff originally thought.
“I couldn’t even tell (a lack of) conditioning was a factor,” Martin said of Moore’s high-energy performances in Italy. “Armani’s very crafty with the ball. He does a good job using his size. He can get guys on his hip and score. He’s also got the medium range pull-up jumper and he can knock down 3-pointers.
Moore could be an active presence at the top of a 1-3-1, but as he gains strength in the weight room, he can also be a long-armed lockdown guy in the man-to-man. And if he can give the Vols 10-15 minutes a game of worry-free backup point guard, he’ll quickly earn his scholarship.

• D’Montre Edwards takes ownership of missed shots. Edwards, a 6-6 junior college transfer, has a good chance to start at the three spot. And if he does, will anyone be able to get a rebound away from the Vols? Coupled with the Bash Brothers, Maymon and 6-8, 255-pound Jarnell Stokes, Edwards gives Tennessee a strong rebounding lineup.
“He definitely has a great shot at being a starter because of his ability to rebound and defend,” Martin said.
Tennessee coaches were impressed with Edwards’ willingness to go after rebounds out of his area and battle for offensive boards. He averaged eight a game in Italy.
Like Moore, Edwards is capable of making a 3-pointer, but he’s smart enough to realize he can get into the lane and make pull-up jumpers all day. Why that shot has becoming a dying art defies logic, because it’s close to unstoppable.
Martin wants Edwards, who weighs 210, to use the two-and-a-half months he has before the season starts to bulk up. At 220, and given his willingness to battle, Edwards could become a bad man.

Thanks for the info! Do you know any teams that run the 1-3-1 effectively??
 
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Thanks for the info! Do you know any teams that run the 1-3-1 effectively??

Beilein runs it as his main defense and it's very effective.

I'm sure many coaches run it as just a change of pace a few games a year, which is what it sounds well use it for.
 
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Obviosuly he meant his first 2 years period, not Tennessee.

And as far as his knees go, maybe CCM told him he had knee issues all year, how can you be sure that's not true?

Seriously. You will argue anything. You are now arguing what someone else "meant". And I distinctly remember Maymon's knee problems started around the LSU game. Had Maymon had bad knees at the start of last season why didn't he have surgery then?

Edit: link to Martin saying Maymon injured his knee beforE LSU game but played thru it.
http://www.thedailytimes.com/Sports...e-Savannah-State-in-NIT-first-round-id-021636
 
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Seriously. You will argue anything. You are now arguing what someone else "meant". And I distinctly remember Maymon's knee problems started around the LSU game. Had Maymon had bad knees at the start of last season why didn't he have surgery then?

Who simmer down there Martha

Maymon transfered here and sat out a 1/2 year, then didn't play much in his 1st eligible season here. So maybe that's what the guy meant, 1 1/2 years, not 2 that he has been at UT.

And maybe because he thought he could play through it? Have you not heard of people putting off surgery until after a season?

I assume this guy knows more about the team than you or I personnel wise, he was sent to Italy to cover them, I'm sure he has talked with CCM a few times, something neither you not I have.

On your edit: yea, but he also had surgery on TWO knees this offseason. So obviously both were hurting. The one Martin is talking about is only ONE knee, not both.
 
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Who simmer down there Martha

Maymon transfered here and sat out a 1/2 year, then didn't play much in his 1st eligible season here. So maybe that's what the guy meant, 1 1/2 years, not 2 that he has been at UT.

And maybe because he thought he could play through it? Have you not heard of people putting off surgery until after a season?

I assume this guy knows more about the team than you or I personnel wise, he was sent to Italy to cover them, I'm sure he has talked with CCM a few times, something neither you not I have.

On your edit: yea, but he also had surgery on TWO knees this offseason. So obviously both were hurting.

Where does it say he went to Italy, Susie?

I think it's funny how disagreeing with you is always over reacting.
 
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Where does it say he went to Italy, Susie?

I think it's funny how disagreeing with you is always over reacting.

My apologies, did not go to Italy read the first past wrong. However, point remains, he speaks with CCM and staff something neither you not I do. So I assume he probably gets some info neither you nor I do.

I think it's funny how you disregard an entire article because of something you disagree with.
 
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My apologies, did not go to Italy read the first past wrong. However, point remains, he speaks with CCM and staff something neither you not I do. So I assume he probably gets some info neither you nor I do.

I think it's funny how you disregard an entire article because of something you disagree with.

Fine, didn't realize you had a crush on this guy. Maymon played all of last year, without anyone knowing, with not one but 2 bad knees. People now refer to sitting out the NCAA mandated one calander year after transferring as "doing little." and will refer to it as if the player underperformed during that time.
 
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Beilein runs it as his main defense and it's very effective.

I'm sure many coaches run it as just a change of pace a few games a year, which is what it sounds well use it for.[/QUOT

I think Michigan runs the 1-3-1 highly effective if you have the length.
 
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Fine, didn't realize you had a crush on this guy. Maymon played all of last year, without anyone knowing, with not one but 2 bad knees. People now refer to sitting out the NCAA mandated one calander year after transferring as "doing little." and will refer to it as if the player underperformed during that time.

Nobody said he played all last year with 2 bad knees. If what this guys saying is true, maymon had a bad knee around the beginning of last year and played with it. In one of our final games maymon injured the other knee. Therefore, he had surgery done on both his knees in the off season. I'm not promising he's right or wrong, I just didn't see it necessary for you to shoot down the whole article because he said he played with a bad knee in Maui, it very well possible.

He played 1/2 of each of those first 2 years, so the guy saying he had 2 nonproductive years or whatever it was he said would be accurate. The wording was just odd.

Not trying to argue, just didn't see why you had to shoot down the whole article a basically being uneducated because of those 2 statements he made, that's all.
 
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Beilein runs it as his main defense and it's very effective.

I'm sure many coaches run it as just a change of pace a few games a year, which is what it sounds well use it for.[/QUOT

I think Michigan runs the 1-3-1 highly effective if you have the length.

Yea the guy I mentioned in the quote you replied to, Beilein, he's Michigan's coach.
 
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Nobody said he played all last year with 2 bad knees. If what this guys saying is true, maymon had a bad knee around the beginning of last year and played with it. In one of our final games maymon injured the other knee. Therefore, he had surgery done on both his knees in the off season. I'm not promising he's right or wrong, I just didn't see it necessary for you to shoot down the whole article because he said he played with a bad knee in Maui, it very well possible.

That's all.

He played 1/2 of each of those first 2 years

From the article.

"Consider that Maymon, the 6-foot-7, 265-pound senior forward, was already capable of going for 30 points and 20 rebounds on a given night despite a couple of balky knees."

How is that not saying he played on two bad knees? And since Maymon's only 30/20 night happened at the beginning of last season, then by default, according to this guy, Maymon played all last season on 2 bad knees. Explain to me what I am missing.
 
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From the article.

"Consider that Maymon, the 6-foot-7, 265-pound senior forward, was already capable of going for 30 points and 20 rebounds on a given night despite a couple of balky knees."

How is that not saying he played on two bad knees? And since Maymon's only 30/20 night happened at the beginning of last season, then by default, according to this guy, Maymon played all last season on 2 bad knees. Explain to me what I am missing.

Then you're right, unless this guy thinks he had 2 bad knees, I read it as one which is my fault my apologies.

Still don't think it's fair to dismiss the rest of the article though. His write ups on Moore And Edwards seemed solid.

Jmo
 
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He played 1/2 of each of those first 2 years, so the guy saying he had 2 nonproductive years or whatever it was he said would be accurate. The wording was just odd.

Not sure I follow you here. Maymon played first semester of his Freshman year then decided to transfer. Transferred to UT during the spring semester of his Freshman season. Sat all of the 2010 calander year at UT and then had a lackluster spring of 2011 and a break out season in 2011-2012. Guy said he had 2 years at UT where he did little. How is that possible when Maymon was only eligible for 1/2 a season in the first place?

Listen. The guy is trying to fill space in a newspaper by taking snipets of interviews and weaving them into a story he is writing. While at the same time giving his story the feel that he actually saw these things for himself. He obviously didn't get all his facts straight. It happens all the time Why do you feel the need to defend him?
 
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I'm not trying to defend him, I misread it and said that. I still think the write ups on Moore and Edwards seemed solid though.
 
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I'm not trying to defend him, I misread it and said that. I still think the write ups on Moore and Edwards seemed solid though.

Man what is it with some here these days....RELAX PEOPLE...good job bleedingTNorange....appreciate your efforts and postings....careful or you'll have em asking you not to post anymore and they will accuse you of NEGATIVITY.......Martha and Alice need to easy up just a bit...funny!!!
 
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I'm not trying to defend him, I misread it and said that. I still think the write ups on Moore and Edwards seemed solid though.

if your desire to believe the last part makes you believe the first part then fine. I'm just saying that since he couldn't get basic details in the first part correct why should I believe the rest of it?
 

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