It's a Trap!

#27
#27
bam15 said:
Have little hope for me. After all, I am one of these tree-hugging, liberal, socialists that are destroying this county. :wink2:

They have no answers, what little they have offered does nothing at all to fix what is broken. They are bank-rolled by special interests and the big corporations.
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You mean in the same way that the opposite side were bankrolled by the lawyers special interest as well as big pharma? Special deals were cut with them as well as the trade unions so they wouldn't be effected. Pot meet kettle.
 
#29
#29
bam15 said:
When? The Republicans have no solutions, besides status quo. Every Republican was opposed to the plan, in fact they distorted the plan into some Bolshevik plot, and had their talking points relayed to a certain cable news channel. So you are using the excuse that he shut them down even when they offered no amendments? He failed to garner support because he was open and transparent, he took his time, and now unfortunately in the game of politics it has back fired.

You know that the Republicans do not want any change at all, and their lobbyist special interest friends don't want change either. They are scared of being embarrassed on national television again.
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why do have to have a different solution if the status quo is clearly superior to obamacare?
 
#32
#32
KB5252 said:
You mean in the same way that the opposite side were bankrolled by the lawyers special interest as well as big pharma? Special deals were cut with them as well as the trade unions so they wouldn't be effected. Pot meet kettle.
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You know as well as I do that the Republicans are the party of Big Business. And you can thank the supreme court for helping them even more.
 
#35
#35
bam15 said:
I think the Obama administration is being clear with it's motives pertaining to the health care debate, but of course you and the Conservative point of view will not believe this, and of course me and my view point will believe it.

Jon Stewart was accurate in his presentation. :good!:
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Let see,

You believe: one side is clear, open and transparent. They honestly are seeking ideas from Rs and will accept any idea on its merits regardless of source. The other side has zero ideas and doesn't want to find solutions.

I believe: Both sides are making political maneuvers to protect the ideas they believe in.

Yep; yours sounds much more likely. No wonder you think Jon Stewart nailed it eventhough the article you used to support your point is in fact making my point.
 
#36
#36
bam15 said:
You know as well as I do that the Republicans are the party of Big Business. And you can thank the supreme court for helping them even more.
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Why are bringing up the supreme court now?

Could it be because I showed you the hypocrisy in your criticism of special interest and the republican party and then outlined the relationship with lawyers, pharma and labor unions to Obama and his health care plan?
 
#38
#38
KB5252 said:
You mean in the same way that the opposite side were bankrolled by the lawyers special interest as well as big pharma? Special deals were cut with them as well as the trade unions so they wouldn't be effected. Pot meet kettle.
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You forgot to include the unions.
 
#39
#39
bam15 said:
You know as well as I do that the Republicans are the party of Big Business. And you can thank the supreme court for helping them even more.
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AFL-CIO, SEIU, ATLA, NEA, Teamsters, Hollywood, etc.

before you say something stupid again, take a look at the millions of dollars "big labor" pours into the democrats' coffers. Throw in massive multi-national companies like General Electric and Oxfam. The democrats are hardly the party of "the working man".
 
#40
#40
KB5252 said:
Why are bringing up the supreme court now?

Could it be because I showed you the hypocrisy in your criticism of special interest and the republican party and then outlined the relationship with lawyers, pharma and labor unions to Obama and his health care plan?
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or maybe not...
 
#41
#41
he must have missed obama handing 50 billion to the unions by violating 200 years of US bankruptcy law during the auto bailouts.
 
#42
#42
volinbham said:
Let see,

You believe: one side is clear, open and transparent. They honestly are seeking ideas from Rs and will accept any idea on its merits regardless of source. The other side has zero ideas and doesn't want to find solutions.

I believe: Both sides are making political maneuvers to protect the ideas they believe in.

Yep; yours sounds much more likely. No wonder you think Jon Stewart nailed it eventhough the article you used to support your point is in fact making my point.
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You nailed it, my side is correct. :rock:
 
#43
#43
droski said:
if you didn't grow up in boston you are definetely a bandwaggoner.


This logic is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I hope you grew up in Knoxville or your obviously a bandwaggoner.

Please explain specifically how obamacare is superior. This i have to hear.
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Lets see

Problems:

1. High Premiums
2. 49 million without health care insurance
3. Health care denial based on preexisting conditions
4. Rising co-pays and deductibles
5. Pathetic health rankings compared to "Socialized" systems

Should I keep going?
 
#44
#44
MG1968 said:
AFL-CIO, SEIU, ATLA, NEA, Teamsters, Hollywood, etc.

before you say something stupid again, take a look at the millions of dollars "big labor" pours into the democrats' coffers. Throw in massive multi-national companies like General Electric and Oxfam. The democrats are hardly the party of "the working man".
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And that is exactly why they actually want to regulate them and impose higher taxes on them. You caught me there.
 
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#45
#45
bam15 said:
Lets see

Problems:

1. High Premiums
2. 49 million without health care insurance
3. Health care denial based on preexisting conditions
4. Rising co-pays and deductibles
5. Pathetic health rankings compared to "Socialized" systems

Should I keep going?
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1. What the hell do you think the premiums will be if the working people have to pay for all the lazy asses who currently don't have healthcare?

2. completely BS number.

3. that's what medicaid is for

4. once again by what theory is obamacare going to lower that? what gov't agency has ever had lower costs than the private one?

5. BS. Every reputable organization shows the US to have the best healthcare in the world. every major medical advance in the past 200 years has come from this country. that isn't a coincidence.
 
#46
#46
bam15 said:
Lets see

Problems:

1. High Premiums
2. 49 million without health care insurance
3. Health care denial based on preexisting conditions
4. Rising co-pays and deductibles
5. Pathetic health rankings compared to "Socialized" systems

Should I keep going?
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1. Increase competition, tort reform, HSA's
2. bogus number, the actual number of chronically uninsured people is somewhere around 13 million.
3. an issue both sides agree upon that should be addressed
4. again, increase competition and stop providing prisoners with free sex-change operations.
5. again, bogus numbers. WHO's rankings are based on political correctness, not actual results. Where would you rather have lung cancer, the US or Cuba?
 
#47
#47
droski said:
1. What the hell do you think the premiums will be if the working people have to pay for all the lazy asses who currently don't have healthcare?

2. completely BS number.

3. that's what medicaid is for

4. once again by what theory is obamacare going to lower that? what gov't agency has ever had lower costs than the private one?

5. BS. Every reputable organization shows the US to have the best healthcare in the world. every major medical advance in the past 200 years has come from this country. that isn't a coincidence.
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MG1968 said:
1. Increase competition, tort reform, HSA's
2. bogus number, the actual number of chronically uninsured people is somewhere around 13 million.
3. an issue both sides agree upon that should be addressed
4. again, increase competition and stop providing prisoners with free sex-change operations.
5. again, bogus numbers. WHO's rankings are based on political correctness, not actual results. Where would you rather have lung cancer, the US or Cuba?
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Stay in denial, the system is broken, even Republicans will admit it.
 
#48
#48
droski and I aren't denying anything. we know the system has problems that can be fixed without creating 110 new federal bureaucracies and adding trillions of dollars to the deficit.

not even Keynes would agree with the democrats' plan.
 
#49
#49
bam15 said:
Stay in denial, the system is broken, even Republicans will admit it.
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it certainly has it's problems, but that doesn't mean we should blow it up and replace it with something far far worse. something similar to countries overseas that have it and whose taxes are far higher, economies grow at a far lower rate, and have higher unemployment. it hasn't worked anywhere else in the world so why the hell would it work here?
 
#50
#50
i follow a company called intuitive surgical. they make robotic operating systems. in surgeries like prostate cancer procedures made with their machines lowers hospital costs by 30% and reduce the chances of incontinence by 80%. the united states has hundreds of these machines (they cost over a $1 mil). the rest of the world has a few dozen. why? because we're willing to pay for the best health insurance and the rest of the world isn't/
 
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