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#78
#78
so since obama took office we are now higher than france (notice it was well lower for the past 30 years). thanks for proving my friggin point.

Nice try at a strawman. We aren't talking about Obama.

We were discussing the fact that your point was actually that the European countries with socialized medicine all have far higher deficits to GDP than the US.

You were wrong.
 
#80
#80
There is now way thay you are this stupid.....you have to be just stirring the pot

You don't cut spending during a recession, ask any economist, you spend more, thus spurring aggregate demand. Obama did exactly what was right, creating jobs, cutting taxes, and spending.
 
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#82
#82
when did obama cut taxes?

this is a serious question. are you older than 19 and have you ever taken more than a basic economics class? do you realize that the models taught you in econ 1 are used for similistic purposes and are not intended to represent real economic theory?
 
#83
#83
My god, do you honestly hate Obama and the Government that much?

I despise Obama's style of governance. You can keep on believing in Keynes, Marx, Krugman and Teleprompter Jesus all you want, but I refuse to play along.

Emmanuel isn't a "blue dog", he's a Chicago thug who'd be just as at home shaking down the local markets in Chicago for "protection money."
 
#84
#84
You don't cut spending during a recession, ask any economist, you spend more, thus spurring aggregate demand. Obama did exactly what was right, creating jobs, cutting taxes, and spending.

Thanks for proving my point.
 
#85
#85
when did obama cut taxes?

this is a serious question. are you older than 19 and have you ever taken more than a basic economics class? do you realize that the models taught you in econ 1 are used for similistic purposes and are not intended to represent real economic theory?

on the campaign trail
 
#87
#87
Lets look at the facts:

Canada: Single-Payer "Socialist" vs America


1. More than 31 percent of every dollar spent on health care in the U.S. goes to paperwork, overhead, CEO salaries, profits, etc. The provincial single-payer system in Canada operates with just a 1 percent overhead.

2. Ten percent of Canada's GDP is spent on health care for 100 percent of the population. The U.S. spends 17 percent of its GDP but 15 percent of its population has no coverage whatsoever and millions of others have inadequate coverage. In essence, the U.S. system is considerably more expensive than Canada's.

3. There are no waits for urgent or primary care in Canada. There are reasonable waits for most specialists' care, and much longer waits for elective surgery. Yes, there are those instances where a patient can wait up to a month for radiation therapy for breast cancer or prostate cancer, for example. However, the wait has nothing to do with money per se, but everything to do with the lack of radiation therapists. Despite such waits, however, it is noteworthy that Canada boasts lower incident and mortality rates than the U.S. for all cancers combined.

Facts. That's funny as hell.
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#89
#89
when did obama cut taxes?

this is a serious question. are you older than 19 and have you ever taken more than a basic economics class? do you realize that the models taught you in econ 1 are used for similistic purposes and are not intended to represent real economic theory?

Why is that relevant to the conversation? Keynesianism has been the basis of modern economic thought for many years, and is the father of macroeconomics.
 
#92
#92
You're really going to point to data from 2008 to try and salvage your argument? Really?

yours consisted of only 2009 and 2010. What's been going on the last 4 or so years to get us to that point?
 
#93
#93
I despise Obama's style of governance. You can keep on believing in Keynes, Marx, Krugman and Teleprompter Jesus all you want, but I refuse to play along.

Emmanuel isn't a "blue dog", he's a Chicago thug who'd be just as at home shaking down the local markets in Chicago for "protection money."

I'll keep believing all I want, just like you did with Dubya.

He is a member of the blue dog coalition.
 
#94
#94
You're really going to point to data from 2008 to try and salvage your argument? Really?

You wanna use emergency stimulus stupidity, war costs and bank salvage as a meaningful snapshot of deficit spending.
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#97
#97
yeah because france and the rest of the world isn't in a friggin recession.

And they also don't have a country with the GDP that we do nor the population. We are obviously going to have to spend more, Jesus Christ.
 
#98
#98
I'll keep believing all I want, just like you did with Dubya.

He is a member of the blue dog coalition.

Who believed in Bush?

And who cares? How does what anyone else believes have to do with you selling out out for proven broken systems.
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I'll keep believing all I want, just like you did with Dubya.

He is a member of the blue dog coalition.

assuming people that oppose things Obama is doing to this country automatically supported W is ridiculous.
 

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