It's official: NCAA agrees to end transfer rules permanently

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Free agency killed baseball for me, and sadly college football seems to be headed down the exact same path. Ironically, after all these years, my wife has just recently became interested in college football.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I think it’s kind of crazy from a competitive standpoint to have unlimited free agency and uncapped $. There’s no other level of competitive team sports that practices this. It’s bad for the sport. It’s forcing more and more good coaches to take jobs in lesser roles out of college sports bc the quality of life is not what it once was. Yes the $ is great, but there has to be value in work life balance and that has seen a dramatic shift recently. There has to be a give and take and this whole thing has become about whatever the athletes want they can get. The NCAA really screwed this up when didn’t see this tidal wave coming a long time ago.
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Valid. I think it will settle down and coaches will adapt. Chasing money doesn’t always work out and the kids will learn. Sports are about competing and athletes want to win and win championships. It’s not always good to be the only good player ( and highest paid) on a really bad team.
 
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UT Hill Man said:
The U.S. Department of Justice reached a settlement with the NCAA that will permanently bar the organization from restricting athletes’ transfer eligibility, it was announced Thursday.

A consent decree announced Thursday makes that policy change permanent, allowing athletes to transfer an unlimited number of times without penalty. This means college athletes are the ultimate free agents of the now professional world of college football.

I hate this so much.

NCAA agrees to end transfer rules permanently
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Is this really new, functionally?

Contracts will be here sooner than later.

Remember...everything becomes crabs.
 
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deezvols said:
The NCAA could have also decided to be loyal, but didn’t…and they’re getting their comeuppance.
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Yup the universities (the members of their own association (NCAA)) are heading into a reckoning.

Unis about to pay bigly.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I think it’s kind of crazy from a competitive standpoint to have unlimited free agency and uncapped $. There’s no other level of competitive team sports that practices this. It’s bad for the sport. It’s forcing more and more good coaches to take jobs in lesser roles out of college sports bc the quality of life is not what it once was. Yes the $ is great, but there has to be value in work life balance and that has seen a dramatic shift recently. There has to be a give and take and this whole thing has become about whatever the athletes want they can get. The NCAA really screwed this up when didn’t see this tidal wave coming a long time ago.
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To be fair, the NCAA DID see this coming and fought Alston for almost a decade and all the way to the Supreme Court. It's similar to how baseball fought Curt Flood all the way to the Supreme Court. The only route was to stall the inevitable.

There's not a good solution when your business model is flatly illegal. We're seeing that now with our own University taking the NCAA down via Donde and Boyd going hard into them for investigating our NIL use AND the states beginning to sue on behalf of the schools.

Without the Antitrust Exemptions, the pro models of controlling payroll and transfers are also illegal. The rub is: all of this can only work under a pro model which comes with a union, drafts, salary caps, transfer rules, etc.

The NCAA should've been lobbying Congress decades ago for the Antitrust Exemption BUT that would essentially agree the players are employees primarily, not students.

I've loved college athletics most of my life. Luckily, unlike many here, I also like pro sports and don't mind watching them.

The sadness is the lesser athletes because most colleges cannot fund pro franchises. I'm still holding out hope that the SEC, B1G, and other big revenue franchises leave the colleges.

Perhaps, somehow without scholarships, without big media, without the business end being so important college athletics can survive for non-elite athletes.
 
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Jaxon_Vol2017 said:
Not without penalty most of the time. Either paid by them or the school they leave for. Can we make players pay a buyout? I say yes.
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Not without admitting they are employees.

If they're so valuable that you need to be compensated if they transfer, they are obviously employees first, not students.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Not without admitting they are employees.

If they're so valuable that you need to be compensated if they transfer, they are obviously employees first, not students.
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Unfortunately they are now. I hate it too. I hate where college football is headed. It's the reason I can't stand the NFL. Oh well, we might as well get used to it.
 
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Jaxon_Vol2017 said:
Unfortunately they are now. I hate it too. I hate where college football is headed. It's the reason I can't stand the NFL. Oh well, we might as well get used to it.
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Not according to the NCAA or the courts....yet.

When they are, it's a huge change because of collective bargaining, contracts, some method of establishing league parity (salary caps AND a draft system,) etc.

I'm unsure how that gets sorted out successfully by 95% of schools who probably aren't interested in owning pro sports teams.

That's the sadness. UT can adapt. Smaller schools will have a tough time competing at all in that marketplace.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Not without admitting they are employees.

If they're so valuable that you need to be compensated if they transfer, they are obviously employees first, not students.
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Not necessarily so. There are plenty of college employees that are students. Grad assistants. Employees working on degrees.
To name longstanding categories.

I know plenty if night that transferred for both jobs and for s more desirable degree program. Account that transferred when a spouse accepted a job in another college town, nit necessarily sport related.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
Not necessarily so. There are plenty of college employees that are students. Grad assistants. Employees working on degrees.
To name longstanding categories.

I know plenty if night that transferred for both jobs and for s more desirable degree program. Account that transferred when a spouse accepted a job in another college town, nit necessarily sport related.
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Yes, but if a grad assistant leaves, does the school expect compensation?

If a grad assistant leaves and needs to compensate the school, I'd bet they had a contract of some sort that's considered an employee/employer relationship.

I'm unsure why folks want to insist these players aren't employees. The Supreme Court referred to them as "workers" in Alston when they insisted:

"Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing to not pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate....."

"The NCAA's business model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America."

The NCAA is finished, sooner rather than later, and the next model will consider the players as employees. UT and TN and several other states are knee deep in the bloodbath of killing the NCAA.

While they may insist they hate what's happening, the big power schools of the NCAA are behind all these changes.
 
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jeff1vol said:
Maybe that should change too. Most coaches have contracts with terms, right? Maybe both schools and coaches should be required to fulfill contract terms. No more buyouts, etc. Both agree to 5 years... it's FIVE years. Then the athletes will have security that the coach will be there until the contract is fulfilled at minimum.
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Barring a scandal let’s say a coach takes over and goes 5-7, 6-6, 6-6, none of the wins are vs rivals and no wins vs ranked teams. Do you want that coach another 2 years?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Yes, but if a grad assistant leaves, does the school expect compensation?

If a grad assistant leaves and needs to compensate the school, I'd bet they had a contract of some sort that's considered an employee/employer relationship.

I'm unsure why folks want to insist these players aren't employees. The Supreme Court referred to them as "workers" in Alston when they insisted:

"Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing to not pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate....."

"The NCAA's business model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America."

The NCAA is finished, sooner rather than later, and the next model will consider the players as employees. UT and TN and several other states are knee deep in the bloodbath of killing the NCAA.

While they may insist they hate what's happening, the big power schools of the NCAA are behind all these changes.
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I don't know of any grad assistant that owed anything when transferring before completing a graduate degree.

I haven't insisted anything about athletes not being employees. It doesn't matter to me if they are considered employees orr contractors, bit one or the other is likely.

I agree that the NCAA is in a terminal condition and I certainly agree with Justice Kavanaugh's concurring opinion in the caldron case.


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S.C. OrangeMan said:
How, exactly are you going to force a buyout on athletes that currently make zero dollars in salary?
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HUH? Me, force a buyout? What chronological dimension did you get the idea I said anything remotely resembling that?
Please flush the powder, it's not good for you, or anybody else for that matter?
 
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UT Hill Man said:
It's more about the idea of commitment and loyalty to to a group of coaches and teammates, and us fans.
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Why should they be loyal to fans, teammates, coaches, or the school? What reason other than "fans like it" do you have for that? You want them to be loyal to you but not loyal back. Loyalty would indicate that we pull for the players when they commit, when they play or ride the pine, and when they win or lose. I can assure you that this fan base was not loyal at all to JG until he transferred, and he is far from the only one. He was pretty dang loyal, and our base let it be known that he was trash to us every chance we could.

This blind loyalty you speak of is like something a fool would accept. If they can move to a better position, then do it. It will not hurt the sport at all. It just evolves.
 
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