It's official: NCAA agrees to end transfer rules permanently

[BreatheUT]

Yeah, we've fully entered the free market era of collegiate athletics. Financial matters reign supreme. However, once the athletes officially become employees and are bound by the rules of an employment contract, the institutions will gain a greater degree of control.
There will be performance metrics and clauses. Players will have contracts terminated for non-performance. HR departments will become involved, so when a player gets out of line, it won't just be the coach making the decision on how discipline is handled. The coach will have to get HR involved. All players will sign NDA's. It's the Brave New World of collegiate athletics.

Get used to more entitled virtue signaling as well and higher ticket prices. I get the feeling the ones setting the rules won't be the main ones attending college sports. It will price a lot of fans out the market as well. It's why the NFL has a hard time getting 65k in seats.

 

[DonDiego]

You're simply wrong. It's not a big deal. You brought buyouts into the chat to show how it's different somehow.
I'm going to show you the end result of the buyout argument (if it were ever applied to players like it is coaches).
Here's where we started:

A coach is free, like Spurrier, Kiffin, Saban et al ad infinitum, to leave anytime. Contracts and buyouts have never prevented someone from leaving when they are ready. In fact, some like Kiffin, have contracts with no buyout to leave for a dream job even at great suffering to the current school. The fact that they can and do leave is a reality in the era of buyouts. Do buyouts happen? Yes. Do coaches leave, even at inopportune times? Yes. Point is, freedom to leave and buyouts exist concurrently but do not exist prohibitively.
If buyout were applied to players like it is coaches, players contracts would be structured similarly...the school transferred to would pay the buyout and/or the student's contract would have language about transferring to their dream school with no buyout. The same dynamics would exist. People (coaches and athletes) have the freedom to pursue self interests rather than university interest.

We should applaud people doing what they feel is best for their life. It's a good thing.

Well, I didn't introduce Spurrier into the conversation, and I don't think comparing players to coaches is all that relevant. I would compare current college players to NFL players and have them form a union. Rules could be put in place through collective bargaining regarding free agency, salary caps, NIL, etc. Anything to stop the chaotic madness coming. We probably just don't see eye to eye on this, so I'll move on.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

No, that's not equity. Steve Spurrier quit football with no consequences, I suppose. So can any player quit football with no consequences. On the other hand, had Spurrier 'transferred' to another program, he would have likely had a hefty buyout, which would have factored into his decision. Players can transfer with no buyout. You may be okay with it, but it definitely isn't 'equity'.

His does a player who makes zero dollars owe a buyout for transferring?

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Well, I didn't introduce Spurrier into the conversation, and I don't think comparing players to coaches is all that relevant. I would compare current college players to NFL players and have them form a union. Rules could be put in place through collective bargaining regarding free agency, salary caps, NIL, etc. Anything to stop the chaotic madness coming. We probably just don't see eye to eye on this, so I'll move on.

Not even. NIL is outside of salary, and it can't be capped or interfered with in any way. So say the federal courts.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

This game is still played by student athletes, supposedly. We still call them that. A no rules, ungoverned NIL and Portal is chaos. As a college student, non athlete, I cannot transfer to another college or university and graduate without completing a minimum 60 hours college credit at that institution. At least that’s how it used to be. I dropped out of UT lacking 35 hours to graduate. Life takes us down different roads and I ended up working in Michigan. I looked into enrolling at another university, Michigan State, I had to complete 60 Undergraduate hours there to be eligible for a degree. Does this new ruling mean I can go to Walter’s State for two years, ETSU for three semesters then transfer to Harvard for one semester and hang an Ivy League diploma on my wall? I wouldn’t really desire that scenario given the liberal state of Ivy League schools today.

I guess there is no such thing as Order in 2024. At some point in life, commitment is required. Lack of commitment equals broken vows, fatherless children and chaos all around. Wait a minute, I guess we are already there. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, but you still have to cut it.

False dilemma.. You said "...and graduate".
This isn't about graduation. It's about free enterprise and compliance with federal law.

 

[Redleg68]

You're going to see contracts with players soon.

Yep, like non-compete contracts. That may be one of the next court battles.

 

[Woodrow Call]

Yep, like non-compete contracts. That may be one of the next court battles.

Non-competes are dead. Unenforceable, especially in Tennessee.

 

[deezvols]

It's more about the idea of commitment and loyalty to to a group of coaches and teammates, and us fans.

The kids can still choose to be loyal, and I’d hope they’d be rewarded for that. Baron is a prime example of what can happen if you don’t stay loyal.

 

[Redleg68]

Non-competes are dead. Unenforceable, especially in Tennessee.

not true--it depends upon your access to privileged or protected information that is critical for success to the organization you work for. Maybe like a playbook.

 

[Woodrow Call]

not true--it depends upon your access to privileged or protected information that is critical for success to the organization you work for. Maybe like a playbook.

That's an NDA. I've been through this with our legal team in multiple states. Non-competes are basically unenforceable. NDA's are enforceable.

 

[utchs81]

Long overdue - college athletes should have never been any more restricted from changing colleges than any other student. NIL collectives can start offering only multi year contracts if they don’t want every player on the market every season.

So how many "Normal" college students change schools based on what they are being paid are you aware of?

 

[choochoovol]

It’s not dying.

Evolving into the NFL is more like it.

Nothing like the NFL. NFL has some rules and college foot ball is a free for all.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

So how many "Normal" college students change schools based on what they are being paid are you aware of?

Wrong question. Better ones are:

"How many people change jobs to improve their situation?". Millions do.

How about "How many non athlete students change schools or don't graduate"? Something north of 60% of college students do one or both.

Your question ignores two very valid comparisons.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

The kids can still choose to be loyal, and I’d hope they’d be rewarded for that. Baron is a prime example of what can happen if you don’t stay loyal.

Like the NCAA was loyal while illegally exploiting thousands of athletes for decades?

 

[87&91ALUM]

It is all about the money and politics. When I go to a little league game and see the relationships between families, officials, those providing athletic fields and some facilities, I am thankful for the way I was raised and opportunities I had. I spent most of my time in the Boy Scouts and that awesome program has been pretty much shut down or changed for the worse and not the better. If you didn't go through the old school and new school, you can't make that comparison. I have. We are all along for the ride. I will continue to support UT, our athlete/students, staff, and most professors. I have my "red lines" as most folks do. When I see the power of the media, the way dollars move politicians and those in the process, I want to grab my fishing pole and wet a line. That is one of the few things that have not changed since my dad's days. And the color of my school is still orange and white. For what it is worth. Free Country. We all have an opinion and we all need to respect someone else's position. Cheers and Go Vols!

 

[GrizzlyVol]

So the fans are expected to pay out the ass to support the players when they may or may not be here with no restrictions...hell we already do it for the coaches might as well be players too..don't buy any jerseys or shirts with players name on them or they may turn in to shop rags I support the University so if they're stay here great if not I don't care anymore

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

It is all about the money and politics. When I go to a little league game and see the relationships between families, officials, those providing athletic fields and some facilities, I am thankful for the way I was raised and opportunities I had. I spent most of my time in the Boy Scouts and that awesome program has been pretty much shut down or changed for the worse and not the better. If you didn't go through the old school and new school, you can't make that comparison. I have. We are all along for the ride. I will continue to support UT, our athlete/students, staff, and most professors. I have my "red lines" as most folks do. When I see the power of the media, the way dollars move politicians and those in the process, I want to grab my fishing pole and wet a line. That is one of the few things that have not changed since my dad's days. And the color of my school is still orange and white. For what it is worth. Free Country. We all have an opinion and we all need to respect someone else's position. Cheers and Go Vols!

Power 4 football comparisons to Little League are false equivalencies.

 

[87&91ALUM]

Power 4 football comparisons to Little League are false equivalencies.

Do they use different base balls? Bats are pretty much wood or metal. Gloves pretty much look alike. Balls and strikes. I'm sure you can find false equivalences in anything you want to. I tend to look at the common denominators as well as the differences. The almighty dollar is alive and well at all levels of the game. I have also heard some ridiculous stories of girls softball games at small town levels called because one team was short a player. After the coach with the missing player conceded and asked if the other team would play the game for "sport", the winning coach laughed and ran to his team yelling "we win, we win" and they packed up and went home. These girls go to the same schools and churches. That sort of behavior used to be "unbelievable" but, is now common place.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Do they use different base balls? Bats are pretty much wood or metal. Gloves pretty much look alike. Balls and strikes. I'm sure you can find false equivalences in anything you want to. I tend to look at the common denominators as well as the differences. The almighty dollar is alive and well at all levels of the game. I have also heard some ridiculous stories of girls softball games at small town levels called because one team was short a player. After the coach with the missing player conceded and asked if the other team would play the game for "sport", the winning coach laughed and ran to his team yelling "we win, we win" and they packed up and went home. These girls go to the same schools and churches. That sort of behavior used to be "unbelievable" but, is now common place.

Ummm, football teams don't use baseballs.

 

[FranklinVFL]

With this and the determination of athletes being employees along with the P5 proposed paying athletes, I fully expect a collective bargaining agreement and multi-year contracts for the student-athletes to essentially end the transfer portal—except for potential buy-out clauses for ending contracts early.

 

[GoodTimeVol]

I think it’s kind of crazy from a competitive standpoint to have unlimited free agency and uncapped $. There’s no other level of competitive team sports that practices this. It’s bad for the sport. It’s forcing more and more good coaches to take jobs in lesser roles out of college sports bc the quality of life is not what it once was. Yes the $ is great, but there has to be value in work life balance and that has seen a dramatic shift recently. There has to be a give and take and this whole thing has become about whatever the athletes want they can get. The NCAA really screwed this up when didn’t see this tidal wave coming a long time ago.

Lol yes let’s do this for every job even military jobs not just college coaches. We should feel sorry for college coaches because they have more responsibilities

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Lol yes let’s do this for every job even military jobs not just college coaches. We should feel sorry for college coaches because they have more responsibilities

You’re missing the point. I’m saying that coaching has evolved into something much different than coaching for head coaches at Power schools. It’s causing coaches to reassess what they’re doing and if they want to keep up their current pace.

This isn’t breaking news. This is talked about frequently when it comes to the discussion of NIL and unlimited transfers.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

You’re missing the point. I’m saying that coaching has evolved into something much different than coaching for head coaches at Power schools. It’s causing coaches to reassess what they’re doing and if they want to keep up their current pace.

This isn’t breaking news. This is talked about frequently when it comes to the discussion of NIL and unlimited transfers.

The world has always been an adapt, quit, or die place. This is no different.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

With this and the determination of athletes being employees along with the P5 proposed paying athletes, I fully expect a collective bargaining agreement and multi-year contracts for the student-athletes to essentially end the transfer portal—except for potential buy-out clauses for ending contracts early.

Don't count on it. The schools that only do one year contracts are going to get most of the best athletes.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

The world has always been an adapt, quit, or die place. This is no different.

Thank you for the life lesson