It's really 2 against 1...

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Rasputin_Vol

Rasputin_Vol

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Obama vs McPalin...

Joe Biden is an after thought and a non-issue in this campaign. What does he really add to the Obama campaign? While Obama and his handlers are out trying to beat on McCain and Palin, Biden is out shaking hands at Walmarts in Dearborn and raising a few hundred dollars at bake sales and what not.

Joe Biden couldn't grab a headline right now unless he says something stupid/controversal (like the stem cell research remark).
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Obama vs McPalin...

Joe Biden is an after thought and a non-issue in this campaign. What does he really add to the Obama campaign?
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You should like this opinion piece then:

McPalin rattles Team Obama - Los Angeles Times

Barack Obama, a famous fan of pickup basketball, must recognize his plight: It's two on one now. John McCain drafted Gov. Sarah Palin, the star point guard from the Wasilla Warriors, to double-team Obama.

(McCain's team doesn't care if no one covers Joe Biden, who seems to spend most of his time yelling to the media, "I'm open! I'm open!" But when he gets the ball, all he does is talk about what a great player he is and dribble in place.)
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:)
 
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I don't really understand how Palin helps McCain all that much in the long run. The people that are thrilled with Palin are the same people that hated Obama so much that they would vote for McCain regardless of his issues that lean to the left.
 
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666 said:
I don't really understand how Palin helps McCain all that much in the long run. The people that are thrilled with Palin are the same people that hated Obama so much that they would vote for McCain regardless of his issues that lean to the left.
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Tell that to the white women (who Obama was leading for and no longer is)
 
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666 said:
The people that are thrilled with Palin are the same people that hated Obama so much that they would vote for McCain regardless of his issues that lean to the left.
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True, but there's a school of thought that says that those same people needed to be motivated to make sure they didn't sit this one out.
 
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Dickens, from the polls that I've seen it just made the gap bigger in states that are sure to go to McCain already.
 
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666 said:
I don't really understand how Palin helps McCain all that much in the long run. The people that are thrilled with Palin are the same people that hated Obama so much that they would vote for McCain regardless of his issues that lean to the left.
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There's a difference... before the right wingers that were going to vote were doing it to keep Obama out of office. Now that someone matching their (my) views is on the ticket, there's motivation now, not just fear.
 
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Aside from casting a deciding vote if there is a tie in the senate, what does she actually offer for the McCain supporters? The chance to take office if he croaks? I really just see this as McCain doing all he can to pander to the republican base. He'll always be a moderate republican when it comes to certain issues, regardless of his vice president and the catch phrases he slings at rallies.
 
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666 said:
I don't really understand how Palin helps McCain all that much in the long run. The people that are thrilled with Palin are the same people that hated Obama so much that they would vote for McCain regardless of his issues that lean to the left.
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True, Palin doesn't get McCain any more voters necessarily (That poll mentioned above has terrible internals), but Palin does help McCain by changing the narrative and sucking all the oxygen out the 24hr news cycle. And she definitely helps raise money. Churches know how to raise money. Honestly, she's an incredible addition to the ticket -- especially for such an honorable man like John McCain. Country First!
 
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666 said:
I don't really understand how Palin helps McCain all that much in the long run. The people that are thrilled with Palin are the same people that hated Obama so much that they would vote for McCain regardless of his issues that lean to the left.
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Not neceassarily true...

If McCain would have nominated Huckabee, Romney or someone of that ilk, he would have had one less vote from me to count on.

Some disenfranchised conservatives have gotten some pep in their step. At least we have something (or someone) to vote for, as opposed to just voting against Obama.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Not neceassarily true...

If McCain would have nominated Huckabee, Romney or someone of that ilk, he would have had one less vote from me to count on.

Some disenfranchised conservatives have gotten some pep in their step. At least we have something (or someone) to vote for, as opposed to just voting against Obama.
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Oddly in the same vein, picking Palin probably secured Obama the majority of the discouraged Hillary voters since they view her as too conservative to swing.
 
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666 said:
Oddly in the same vein, picking Palin probably secured Obama the majority of the discouraged Hillary voters since they view her as too conservative to swing.
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I think polling data shows otherwise - the swing of white women voters to McCain is pretty dramatic right now. Maybe it will shift back but she's made a dent.

His support among independents went up to. Basically, the base is energized and undecided/independents are stating a preference now.

The big question is whether or not it will last.
 
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Honestly, you shouldn't if you're mainly making a choice based on the sex of the canidate, darn goofy white women.
 
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666 said:
Oddly in the same vein, picking Palin probably secured Obama the majority of the discouraged Hillary voters since they view her as too conservative to swing.
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Say what? :ermm:

Did you just pull that out of your sphincter?
 
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Sorry, that comment applied to rational folks that pick their canidate based on issues. It doesn't go for the women who vote for women just because it's a woman. I can only hope there are more in the first catagory in the end.
 
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Pretty soon, Biden will become an answer to a trivia question...

"What is the name of Barack Obama's running mate?"
 
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notverycrucial said:
True, Palin doesn't get McCain any more voters necessarily (That poll mentioned above has terrible internals), but Palin does help McCain by changing the narrative and sucking all the oxygen out the 24hr news cycle. And she definitely helps raise money. Churches know how to raise money. Honestly, she's an incredible addition to the ticket -- especially for such an honorable man like John McCain. Country First!
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churches know how to raise money. have you even been to church? or do you get your information from moveon.org. pretty clueless statement.
 
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666 said:
Oddly in the same vein, picking Palin probably secured Obama the majority of the discouraged Hillary voters since they view her as too conservative to swing.
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IMO, discouraged Hillary voters want her to run again in 2012 and not have to wait for 2016 which she would have to do under an Obama Presidency.
 
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