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drewtigeralum said:
This is a crazy thought, but maybe Iowa was pretty good, and came out playing inspired for their coach and his son. They were red hot from 3 and when that happens this year they have run teams...good teams, out of the gym. U.T. took their best punch and closed the gap to 3 at half time. Also, running with Iowa is a terrible idea.
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Not a crazy thought. I nearly threw something at my screen when I saw their FG and 3pt percentages; I agree with you there.

Iowa is a very talented team. We had a great win. I'm not saying that we had to run with them, but we do have to get back on transition defense and not allow easy buckets under the goal. If you don't run with a fast team, at least to SOME extent, you will get run over and blown out. That's all I'm getting at. Iowa has some PHENOMENAL scorers, and they showed that last night. Teams like Iowa will either run you down and score on high-percentage shots when you don't get back in transition, or, they'll light you up from outside like they did to us last night. (minus the great job we did on containing Marble, he got shut down)
 
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whobethis16 said:
Lackluster? The players came out trying to play the Pearl way (the way so many "experts" on here think is best) and nearly got run out of the gym. With about 5 mins left in the 1st half, they started playing how Martin has been preaching his whole time here and lo and behold, a victory. A good victory in the NCAA tournament. Maybe, just maybe, it's the players not always doing what is asked and expected of them.
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So when the players a playing good it's because of the Coach and when they're playing bad it's because they're not listening to the coach...? Ever think it was the coaches game plan to play the way they did in the first 10 minutes of the game?

Martin fan agenda much?
 
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UT's#1Fan said:
So when the players a playing good it's because of the Coach and when they're playing bad it's because they're not listening to the coach...? Ever think it was the coaches game plan to play the way they did in the first 10 minutes of the game?

Martin fan agenda much?
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So when the players are playing bad, it's on the coach, and when they are playing good it's because the coach "got out of the way."

Martin agenda much?
 
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supersmo18 said:
Ok, I knew someone would think I pissed in their cheerios with my post. Anyway, the "Pearl Way" would have been much faster and full press and getting back on transition defense, which we didn't do and is why we got down by 12 early on. Yes they started chipping away late in the 1st, but they should have clamped down on defense better than they did early in the game and that wouldn't have happened, which would have been the "Martin Way". We took way too many 3's and didn't work inside like should have early on as well, even though those 3's later on are what got us really climbing back in the 2nd half.

Also, I could be mistaken but if I'm reading you correctly, you're contradicting yourself by saying that CCM did a great job coaching, but the players didn't do what is asked and expected of them. If that's the case, then you're agreeing with me in my saying that the team pulled themselves together and got it done. I just believe that if they'd bought into CCM's philosophy and tightened up on defense earlier on, ESPECIALLY with Stokes, then we wouldn't have had to dig ourselves out of the hole we fell in.

But then again, this is Volnation, where opinions against the common flow are not welcomed, even though they are opinions. I didn't share mine to make you happy this morning. It was just my :twocents:, so take it as you wish. :peace2:
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How many times early in the game did they try to get out and run only to lead to a quick missed layup and an easy basket for Iowa? A lot. Iowa plays the Pearl way, they're built for it. Tennessee is not, yet all year fans have been clamoring for them to get out and run, they're better when they run. Look what just happened. That's the point. If they (the players) had decided to play like Martin wants earlier, as you said, there wouldn't have been that big of a hole. But originally you said that it was lackluster coaching, even though it appeared the players were not doing what they were coached to do. So, is it Martin being lazy or the players defying? I lean more to the latter.
 
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supersmo18 said:
Not a crazy thought. I nearly threw something at my screen when I saw their FG and 3pt percentages; I agree with you there.

Iowa is a very talented team. We had a great win. I'm not saying that we had to run with them, but we do have to get back on transition defense and not allow easy buckets under the goal. If you don't run with a fast team, at least to SOME extent, you will get run over and blown out. That's all I'm getting at. Iowa has some PHENOMENAL scorers, and they showed that last night. (minus the great job we did on containing Marble, he got shut down)
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When is the last time U.T. played a team like Iowa? Regardless of how you prepare, it takes a while to get use to having to chase a 6'10 center down the court at a full sprint on every play. Iowa has done this to every team they play. It's the reason they were in the tournament.
 
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whobethis16 said:
How many times early in the game did they try to get out and run only to lead to a quick missed layup and an easy basket for Iowa? A lot. Iowa plays the Pearl way, they're built for it. Tennessee is not, yet all year fans have been clamoring for them to get out and run, they're better when they run. Look what just happened. That's the point. If they (the players) had decided to play like Martin wants earlier, as you said, there wouldn't have been that big of a hole. But originally you said that it was lackluster coaching, even though it appeared the players were not doing what they were coached to do. So, is it Martin being lazy or the players defying? I lean more to the latter.
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I think Tennessee can get out and run when it is opportune to do so. Trying to get out and run against a team like Iowa is a mistake because it is their comfort zone to go fast.

Ideally, you want to make your opponent do what they are uncomfortable doing.

Tennessee can get out and push pace, but doing so last night would have been a mistake.
 
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goooooovols said:
I actually think the team is very well coached we really lack a shooter and true point guard put those two things on the court and we get some of those bad loses.

Like it or not CCM just solidified his job for another year last night. Might as well come to reality with that.
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I agree with you. A top notch point guard and this team would be a final 8, maybe final 4 contender.

Thompson may be the answer, he shows promise. I would have liked to have seen him more this season. Barton is almost a liability if he is not making his shots. Nothing against Barton but he is not a point guard.
 
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whobethis16 said:
How many times early in the game did they try to get out and run only to lead to a quick missed layup and an easy basket for Iowa? A lot. Iowa plays the Pearl way, they're built for it. Tennessee is not, yet all year fans have been clamoring for them to get out and run, they're better when they run. Look what just happened. That's the point. If they (the players) had decided to play like Martin wants earlier, as you said, there wouldn't have been that big of a hole. But originally you said that it was lackluster coaching, even though it appeared the players were not doing what they were coached to do. So, is it Martin being lazy or the players defying? I lean more to the latter.
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I said they needed to get back more on transition defense. Not running a fast-paced offense.
 
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UT's#1Fan said:
When the players are playing bad it's ALWAYS the coaches fault.
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Funny, I've never seen a coach miss an open jump shot. U.T. was getting open looks and not knocking them down at the start of the game.

You want to knock the coach when the team plays bad, and give back handed compliments to the coach when they play well...why so negative? Do you need more love?
 
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Cuonzo is off the hot seat. I would like to see more pure shooters on the team, though. You can teach defense. Shooting is instinct and talent. Sharpshooters tend to be born rather than made.
 
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lonelawyer said:
Cuonzo is off the hot seat. I would like to see more pure shooters on the team, though. You can teach defense. Shooting is instinct and talent. Sharpshooters tend to be born rather than made.
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Don't forget you have a "sharp shooter" sitting on the bench in street clothes with a bad shoulder.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I think Tennessee can get out and run when it is opportune to do so. Trying to get out and run against a team like Iowa is a mistake because it is their comfort zone to go fast.

Ideally, you want to make your opponent do what they are uncomfortable doing.

Tennessee can get out and push pace, but doing so last night would have been a mistake.
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Which Martin is all for, but they were pushing WAY too much. He won't tell them to not take easy buckets, but rather not force the issue, like they did early. They got a few good breaks without getting out of control, and paid attention to situations.

We've just gone from an offense like Spurrier's fun and gun to Saban's grind it out, but without quite as much success thus far. However, the system has been proven to work, despite what the "experts" on here think.
 
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drewtigeralum said:
When is the last time U.T. played a team like Iowa? Regardless of how you prepare, it takes a while to get use to having to chase a 6'10 center down the court at a full sprint on every play. Iowa has done this to every team they play. It's the reason they were in the tournament.
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Again, I agree, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't get down court quicker. You can't just stand there; either you run down and do your dead-level best to defend a potent offense like Iowa, or you take your time and get screwed. They will run down and get a high-percentage layup, or they drain a 3. Pick your poison. They just got on fire last night from outside and we couldn't stop it.

I also haven't seen really that many 6'10" centers that can out-sprint another team the whole game. :)
 
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cncchris33 said:
I think Tennessee can get out and run when it is opportune to do so. Trying to get out and run against a team like Iowa is a mistake because it is their comfort zone to go fast.

Ideally, you want to make your opponent do what they are uncomfortable doing.

Tennessee can get out and push pace, but doing so last night would have been a mistake.
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I think this is where what I'm saying is being mistaken. I'm not looking for us to control pace offensively against teams like this, but I do want to see us get back and defend better early on. I think their offense was just too fast for the way we were defending in the 1st half.
 
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UT's#1Fan said:
(let me preface my response with the fact that this forum is littered with complimentary comments from me about the way the team played last night... this is my first post in response to the band wagon jumpers)

Pathetic. Let's keep things in perspective... we beat a team that's lost 6 of their last 7 games and who's coach was dealing with some serious off the court stuff at home. Plus it's not like we dominated them, we took the first lead with a few minutes to go... that's to their credit of course... but let’s not start crowning the Cuonzo the next John Wooden.

Great win, no doubt and it was a well coached game in that Martin didn't screw things up. But let's not let a win in the first four erase the inconsistencies of the past.

Martin is probably a great guy but so is my Pharmacist, I'd don't want my Pharmacist to be the coach of Tennessee. Beat UMass and then Duke... now we're talking.

Don't forget, Dooley was a Vandy win away from securing another year... had he won that game, it wouldn't have meant he was any better a coach.
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Dooley and CCM don't belong in the same sentence. CCM has actually won some big games such as Vandy his first year, Florida, UK, etc. CCM actually treats people well and is a leader. CCM doesn't trash his team. CCM had accomplished some things. That comparison is weak.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Lackluster? The players came out trying to play the Pearl way (the way so many "experts" on here think is best) and nearly got run out of the gym. With about 5 mins left in the 1st half, they started playing how Martin has been preaching his whole time here and lo and behold, a victory. A good victory in the NCAA tournament. Maybe, just maybe, it's the players not always doing what is asked and expected of them.
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A coach is judged by how his team performs period......it doesnt matter if the players didnt listen, the shoes were bad, fans caused coach emotional problems....or whatever excuse u want to use. Excuses are like a**holes, everyone has one...

That being said, great win Vols.....Lets keep this thing rolling all the way to the national championship.
 
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supersmo18 said:
I think this is where what I'm saying is being mistaken. I'm not looking for us to control pace offensively against teams like this, but I do want to see us get back and defend better early on. I think their offense was just too fast for the way we were defending in the 1st half.
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Yes. Our transition defense was awful in the first half.
 
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supersmo18 said:
I think this is where what I'm saying is being mistaken. I'm not looking for us to control pace offensively against teams like this, but I do want to see us get back and defend better early on. I think their offense was just too fast for the way we were defending in the 1st half.
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I thought from about the 5:00 mark in the first half through the end they controlled it well. Fkrced Iowa into the half court game. Iowa still made shots but you could tell they were uncomfortable doing so.
 
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