I've come the conclusion that mccain can't beat Obama

#51
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ksushalovesthevols said:
why have your retirement and medical expenses completely covered
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there ya go, expect that people who are actually working and paying taxes are there to support you.

that's the definition of laziness, letting someone else pay your bills for you.
 
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#52
OrangeEmpire said:
Why would any one in their right mind depend on the government for their retirement?
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because there are these little things called poverty, unemployment, inflation and unforeseen circumstances that hinder people's ability to put away enough to survive independently of government help. furhtermore, a person who pays taxes to the government in expectation of retirement benefits ought to receive said benefits.
 
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#54
ksushalovesthevols said:
you're right. cambridge and oxford suck.

why have your retirement and medical expenses completely covered when you can collect your $800 social security check every month and pay for your own prescriptions? why have a 5% unemployment rate when it can be 6.5%? Why have a poverty rate of 17% when it can be 30%?

:crazy:
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personally i don't feel like paying for every shlub like you who has bad health. i go to the doctor once every 3 years, why should i pay for you and a bunch of lazy unemployed people? and the US unemployment rate has been consistantly lower than virtually every socialist country.
 
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MG1968 said:
they're pissed off at the US because it's their policy to be pissed off at the US. Obama sitting down with Mahmoud the Insane won't do anything to alleviate that. Obama could tell them that the US is pulling out of Iraq and will stop supporting Israel and the Iranian leadership will still hate the US.
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Their original hatred for us stemmed from our impeding the will of their people by siding with the government the Iranian people didnt want.

However, they saw after 9/11 a chance to thaw relations and they were the one country in the ME that stood in solidarity behind us. They even had a moment of silence nationwide. We then came out three days later and labeled them on our Axis of Evil list. They were stunned, and realized they would have to change their entire direction toward us after that.
 
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#56
no irony intended. You glorify a system in which those who work are forced to bear the burden of those who don't. You do understand that no government on this earth actually generates it's own money in the way that a private business does? All that wonderful, free healthcare that you love so much is being paid by taxpayers, not a government that is able to pull money out of it's arse.
 
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#57
ksushalovesthevols said:
how does having socialized healthcare equate to giving up freedom? if you're talking about taxes, i'll repeat my comment about not having to pay much more here than i would in the US (in the appropriate tax bracket).
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umm if you are employed in the united states you get healthcare. many times for free. why should i pay more in taxes for something i already have?
 
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droski said:
umm if you are employed in the united states you get healthcare. many times for free. why should i pay more in taxes for something i already have?
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you still pay into state healthcare systems in most cases. and what failed wrecks they are. here i get private healthcare too, through my job, but it works with the government healthcare system so there are never deductibles, fees for prescriptions, etc. it's just more comprehensive.
 
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MG1968 said:
no irony intended. You glorify a system in which those who work are forced to bear the burden of those who don't. You do understand that no government on this earth actually generates it's own money in the way that a private business does? All that wonderful, free healthcare that you love so much is being paid by taxpayers, not a government that is able to pull money out of it's arse.
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it's funny, because i pay for (at a higher rate than most) both here and in the US and i don't have a problem with it.
 
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MontereyVol said:
Their original hatred for us stemmed from our impeding the will of their people by siding with the government the Iranian people didnt want.

However, they saw after 9/11 a chance to thaw relations and they were the one country in the ME that stood in solidarity behind us. They even had a moment of silence nationwide. We then came out three days later and labeled them on our Axis of Evil list. They were stunned, and realized they would have to change their entire direction toward us after that.
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and what would Obama do, or say, to help that? "Mr. Mahmoud, if you like the US, I promise we'll put your face on a box of Wheaties"?

btw, the Iranian people don't want Ahmadenijad and the religious zealots leading the country either. Carter royally screwed up by supporting the return of Khomeni rather than helping the Shah. The Shah was no Mother Teresa, but hindsight is 20/20 aint it?
 
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ksushalovesthevols said:
you still pay into state healthcare systems in most cases. and what failed wrecks they are. here i get private healthcare too, through my job, but it works with the government healthcare system so there are never deductibles, fees for prescriptions, etc. it's just more comprehensive.
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yes but at what cost? do you really think a system where a perfectly healthy person pays the same amount of taxes for healthcare as an alcoholic or smoker is really fair? it's great for you since you have health issues, but i'd bet ANYTHING that the average healthy person pays FAR more in the end in the UK citizen than they would as an employed US citizen.
 
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droski said:
yes but at what cost? do you really think a system where a perfectly healthy person pays the same amount of taxes for healthcare as an alcoholic or smoker is really fair? it's great for you since you have health issues, but i'd bet ANYTHING that the average healthy person pays FAR more in the end in the UK citizen than they would as an employed US citizen.
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fair or not, you pay for it in the US too.

and, fwiw, when working in the US i pay far more in US taxes than i could ever get back in medical benefits.
 
#63
#63
Well, it certainly cant hurt to sit down and talk to him. We Americans have more in common with the Iranian people than any other country in that region and they for the most part want our respect. If there is a thaw in all the rhetoric between us the Iranian people will take care of their government over several elections. It also hurts Ahmadenijad since his place in power is due to keeping the people afraid of us attacking so they dont focus on his inability to do anything for them.
 
#64
#64
ksushalovesthevols said:
fair or not, you pay for it in the US too.

and, fwiw, when working in the US i pay far more in US taxes than i could ever get back in medical benefits.
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no my employer pays for it. a very small % of my state taxes go to uninsured hospital stays. and i'd sure hope you'd pay more in US taxes than medical benefits.
 
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MontereyVol said:
Well, it certainly cant hurt to sit down and talk to him. We Americans have more in common with the Iranian people than any other country in that region and they for the most part want our respect. If their is a thaw in all the rhetoric between us the Iranian people will take care of their government over several elections. It also hurts Ahmadenijad since his place in power is due to keeping the people afraid of us attacking so they dont focus on his inability to do anything for them.
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Since the 60's the leaders in that region have been filling their coffers with cash. At the same time they have bred hatred for the west and America in particular by not putting that money to use for their people. Unless you are a member of the royal family or in some way connected. Iran is different because the people there in my opinion would like to break the iron fist they have lived under, especially the younger generation.
 
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MontereyVol said:
Well, it certainly cant hurt to sit down and talk to him. We Americans have more in common with the Iranian people than any other country in that region and they for the most part want our respect.
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I would 100% agree with that. The similarity is that neither of our country's leaders have any clue what the people want.
 
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MontereyVol said:
Well, it certainly cant hurt to sit down and talk to him.
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and have him tell us that his intentions are to push the Jews into the sea and that the US should stand by and do nothing about it?

what happens if Obama grows a backbone and tells Mahmoud that Tehran should stop the oppression of religious minorities in Iran? Or end the misogynistic practices prevalent in many Islamic countries?

let's not forget that Ahmadenijad is a criminal and one of the principal members of the group that held the American hostages for 444 days.
 
#68
#68
Keep in mind that the only reason Ahmadenijad is in power is because we labeled them in the Axil of Evil trio. That stupid speech by Bush is why he is now in power.
 
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#69
MontereyVol said:
Keep in mind that the only reason Ahmadenijad is in power is because we labeled them in the Axil of Evil trio. That stupid speech by Bush is why he is now in power.
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I think you're giving Bush's speech writers way too much credit.

Ahmadenijad was made President in 2005, Bush's "Axis of Evil" speech was delivered in January 2002. I don't think the two are related in any way.
 
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#70
oh but they are. And your timeline doesnt disprove that point. They were exceptionally surprised by the US reaction towards them after they took steps to move towards a more favorable stance with us. They felt like we slapped them in the face.
 
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#71
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#72
#72
Here's a rumor for you

Obama's VP, if he gets the nomination, is going to be General Zinni
 
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