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#26
#26
CSpindizzy said:
As for Democrats knowing, I'm surprised that someone who always speaks of concrete evidence would make such a knee-jerk allegation. Up to this point, all we see is that this was buired by the GOP so the Dems could not see this. It seems the motivation for the GOP members who knew was protecting their party rather than the children they were responsible for.
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You know as well as I do that you cannot keep a secret inside the beltway for a very long time. I guarantee you that there were a number of Democrats in the House who knew something fishy was going on between Foley and the pages. That is the same extent that the Republican leadership knew. There is no politician in history who at a critical moment in elections would pursue something that is just a little fishy, with no actual evidence that any wrongdoing was occurring. Beginning an investigation against a U.S. Representative because you think he might be a pedophile is the same thing as coming to that conclusion: his career is terminated.

Mind you, I am stating all of this on the presumption that the leadership had no concrete evidence of actual criminal activity. If they did have evidence then I believe they should resign and they are open to any and all criticism.
 
#27
#27
CSpindizzy said:
You are proving my point. "The other side would have done the same thing" is the cheapest and lowest cop out there is. I don't care what the other side of ANY side would have done. It shows the true character of these people. These are elected officials. And not only that they are the leaders of one segment of the elected officials and the leaders of the majority party. This is a leadership who throws morality around as if they own it and God but when it all comes down to it, they are just as sleazy as anyone else. The bad part is that yes they are as sleazy but they use a morality and elevate themselves to being masters of morality.
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Not a cop out, it is the truth. The R's throw God around and the D's throw around people invading your privacy. Neither of these groups as a whole is worth a crap. That does not mean there are not decent individuals on either side.
 
#29
#29
So you are telling me that if you were approached by a fellow Congressman about emails between a member and an underage page that were questionable, you would do nothing? You would merely say "drop it" and move on? You would not bother to see if these emails are only scratching the surface? You would not bother to see if other pages were involved? You would not do more to ensure the underage kids placed in your care were safe? You would not do everything in your power to ensure there is nothing more than an email request for a picture here?
 
#30
#30
CSpindizzy said:
So you are telling me that if you were approached by a fellow Congressman about emails between a member and an underage page that were questionable, you would do nothing? You would merely say "drop it" and move on? You would not bother to see if these emails are only scratching the surface? You would not bother to see if other pages were involved? You would not do more to ensure the underage kids placed in your care were safe? You would not do everything in your power to ensure there is nothing more than an email request for a picture here?
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Where did I say any of that? I would not drop it, if I felt like there was something immoral or illegal going on.
 
#33
#33
CSpindizzy said:
So you are telling me that if you were approached by a fellow Congressman about emails between a member and an underage page that were questionable, you would do nothing? You would merely say "drop it" and move on? You would not bother to see if these emails are only scratching the surface? You would not bother to see if other pages were involved? You would not do more to ensure the underage kids placed in your care were safe? You would not do everything in your power to ensure there is nothing more than an email request for a picture here?
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Lamar Alexander and Dennis Hastert did look into it. The only emails that the page's family would provide were the one asking for the picture and one in which Rep. Foley asked the page if he made it through Hurricane Katrina safely. What were Alexander and Hastert supposed to do? Subpoena the remaining emails from the family? Confiscate Foley's computer and go through it?
 
#34
#34
If there was questionable behavior with a member of a Congressional program? So just brushing off something that looked suspicious was the better way to go?

What does Lamar Alexander have to do with this?
 
#35
#35
So, you are saying that Hastert should have demanded, from the family of the page in question, to see all the emails. At the point the family refused, Hastert should have barged in anyway?

Also of note in this dilemma is the fact that Brian Ross of ABC had the whole story in the beginning of August and it did not come out until the end of September.
 
#36
#36
Apparently, the parents may have gone to L. Alexander first. Hastert took the matter to House Council from there it went to the Page program folks. All they had was an email asking about Katrina. Evenso, they told Foley to stop having any contact with this page or any other page. There was apparently nothing of a sexual nature or suggestion in the email and the parents never revealed the IM's to Hastert etc.
 
#37
#37
therealUT said:
So, you are saying that Hastert should have demanded, from the family of the page in question, to see all the emails. At the point the family refused, Hastert should have barged in anyway?

Also of note in this dilemma is the fact that Brian Ross of ABC had the whole story in the beginning of August and it did not come out until the end of September.
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Yep, that is should not be lost in all of this.
 
#38
#38
Had the story and actually gathering the evidence to release it are two different items. If you had read the whole story, he received the preliminary info in a time he was working on several other stories. I guess every time a new potential story comes in reporters should drop whatever they are doing and then take whatever just walked in the door. Perhaps it took almost two months to gather this information? You sound very irrational on your responses here. I can flip it and say that Fox News had the story and in their bias decided to drop it?

If there is potential danger to underage persons in the care of Congress, I don't think Hastert should be limited to the personal feelings of a page's family to investigate potential wrong doing. Criminal investigations occur all the time regardless of the feelings of a victim. If there is a potential for widespread wrong doing, it is Hastert's responsibility to follow through and make sure this is a dead issue and not something larger. Taking it in good faith that overly friendly behavior was a one time event and nothing more is hard to believe. When there are mutterings that pages have discussed Foley's behavior, I'd think that those in charge would have overheard something.
 
#39
#39
Yes, criminal investigations occur. Hastert is not deputized. He is not a detective anywhere. He does not have any authority to demand information from people.
 
#40
#40
Actually he does. He has the ability to subpeona info from Foley. Congress does have the power to police itself. Check powers of Congress. Hastert can investigate his own members and so can the GOP caucus. Since this program is a House program, Hastert can investigate this as well. He left it at a meeting with Foley and a request to drop communications. Nothing else came of this. No verification if this was larger and no changes in protocol ensuring the pages are protected.
 
#42
#42
Based on what we know now, Calling for Hastert's job is pure politics.
 
#45
#45
CSpindizzy said:
How do you explain the Washington Times and several other conservative groups out there?
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Same thing, different side. Some conservatives don't feel that Hastert's House has been conservative enough. Here's a chance to move him out in favor of someone more conservative.
 
#46
#46
CSpindizzy said:
Actually he does. He has the ability to subpeona info from Foley. Congress does have the power to police itself. Check powers of Congress. Hastert can investigate his own members and so can the GOP caucus. Since this program is a House program, Hastert can investigate this as well. He left it at a meeting with Foley and a request to drop communications. Nothing else came of this. No verification if this was larger and no changes in protocol ensuring the pages are protected.
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The FBI knew about it in July and declined to investigate.

An FBI official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing, said the field office concluded that the e-mails "did not rise to the level of criminal activity."
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FBI Knew in July About Foley E-Mails to Teen - washingtonpost.com
 
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