Jaden Rashada (Florida Signee) requesting NLI release

Florida recruits suddenly have every reason to be wary of Florida's version of Spyre, the "Gator Collective." They reneged on one deal, they could again. "Not trustworthy" is just about the worst reputation a business can have.

Florida will likely lose potential recruits over this. Young athletes and their families who simply will not include Florida among their options. And should it happen a second time....

Rashada, the kid, he's fine. He'll get another offer and end up at another P5 school. He's still a talented young man. He just trusted the wrong folks.
Or, maybe the folks backing the $13 mil NIL began having 2nd thoughts about $13 mil for an 18yo that has proven nothing. The current state of NIL is going to have some serious bubbles pop on some backers. May not have anything to do with Gatorball specifically, but they still inherit the bad look. THat's G5 HC money for a single player that hasn't played a game.
 
8 mil is a big number on an "IF". See Jimbo Fisher, or any number of sure fire coaches. We have had plenty of highly rated guys not pan out as players.

8 mil AFTER he wins is fine, but before is crazy.

A nice signing bonus, a retention payment, escalation plan, you start at X, get plus 25% for starting, plus X for winning, plus X for a championship, plus X for graduating, plus X for playing in bowl games. They dont exist now but I think you will see them as the business world wraps its head around these guys. Its pay for play, but after the fact with a structured contract that doesnt involve the school.

That way you can wave 8 million in front of some 18 year old, but only have to deliver after you get results.

Agree with everything you said but then the question is supply and demand. How many elite QBs are there each cycle 2/3/6? That will drive price and people’s desire to pay/gamble for what maybe a game changer.

Programs like UGA/Alabama/OSU may not gamble but it maybe money well spent for UT if Nico is all that and a bag of chips.

Good or bad gamble? We will know soon.
 
Agree with everything you said but then the question is supply and demand. How many elite QBs are there each cycle 2/3/6? That will drive price and people’s desire to pay/gamble for what maybe a game changer.

Programs like UGA/Alabama/OSU may not gamble but it maybe money well spent for UT if Nico is all that and a bag of chips.

Good or bad gamble? We will know soon.

NIL won't change much of anything for parity. Those that had the money under the table got the players. THose have have the money now can put it on top of the table. THe teams have't really changed.
 
Agree with everything you said but then the question is supply and demand. How many elite QBs are there each cycle 2/3/6? That will drive price and people’s desire to pay/gamble for what maybe a game changer.

Programs like UGA/Alabama/OSU may not gamble but it maybe money well spent for UT if Nico is all that and a bag of chips.

Good or bad gamble? We will know soon.
Demand right now is crazy because it's a new product. Well old product, new market.

As you mentioned there are a number of elite guys, at least 2, each year. So at least 50% wont get the ROI they are thinking. Really it's going to be far more than that. That is going to shape the picture real fast.

Your program misses out of the NC a couple 8 million payments in a row and they probably wont be doing that much more.
 
Demand right now is crazy because it's a new product. Well old product, new market.

As you mentioned there are a number of elite guys, at least 2, each year. So at least 50% wont get the ROI they are thinking. Really it's going to be far more than that. That is going to shape the picture real fast.

Your program misses out of the NC a couple 8 million payments in a row and they probably wont be doing that much more.

At what point do you get enough time from the player you own to get your ROI on the NIL deal. D1 players invest quite a bit of time. Especially if they are trying to make it the NFL. Heck, even in NAIA baseball at a school no one was going pro, the time investment fall & spring just to make it to the bench was atronomical. And most of us didn't even do summer ball anywhere. Every single day from the first day of class to the last class in May was spent at the baseball field or gym. Considering the school it was at, weekends and extra time was optional outside of required time. But you had all your classes early. Formal practice was 4pm to 6pm. THen dinner and study. But, depending on classes, alot of the team was putting in early work in the cages, or extra fielding. Whatever. $8 mil is a lot of appearances and ads. The brokers aren't looking to break even. And you think they were divas before, or were kept shielded from the law. How's a coach going to run a program full of these kids. I'm sure there are a list of outs in the contracts. These kids will be easily swindled out of contract money. Over the long haul, I see more damage than good. You can't tell me they don't get revoked, or even on the hook for re-imbursement if they get arrested for certain actions, injuries, transfers, etc., etc. There's no way these deals are guarunteed.
 
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Makes Nico look like a bargain at $8M. Candidly, doing that deal when we did, got us a lot of hype that went well beyond Nico himself.

Bad look for Gator program. Cant blame the kid if people offered him a deal and then reneged. Lets be honest here. There is not a single one of us who at that age would stay at a school who promised $13M and then said sorry but play for us just because you love Gators.
 
Looks bad for UF 95: percent

Looks bad for him: 5 percent


Looks bad for all of college football in its traditional sense: 1 million percent
Saw your other thread, and agree with most of it. I was a kid in the 60's and early 70's. College football started out being sort of a pickup game between rival colleges and in my mind, a pretty "pure" sport. I look back on the day when Jan 1, was football day, and when the sun set on the Rose, Sugar and Orange, it was over until September. Just about every player had a loyalty to their school and the phrase "John Doe has committed to The University of Tennessee" meant that the word "committed" was just that. That's where he played and stayed.

Is it really being ruined? I think it's morphing into something that has the potential of ruining it, and maybe at this stage, you can't "un-ring" the bell. There will always be fans; I'm not giving up my orange and I doubt you'll give up orange and blue. But when the outcome of the season depends on how much you paid for your players, I think there is strong potential for the playing field to be weighted by a half a dozen very rich schools that can insure the talent level is high, and with time, the lower tier schools will be just that.

Of course the elite schools have always made it to the big games at the end of the season, and expect to see those there again. But, like Josh Pate said on his podcast - If Florida doesn't fix it's NIL problem, it doesn't matter how good a coach Billy Napier is, the program will falter. That's the door we walked through and it closed behind us. Bear Bryant won the SEC coaching for Kentucky a long time ago. This formula works against that idea. It's no longer, "I want to play for that coach", but "How much money is that school going to pay me to play there", and that further takes the purity out of game that I grew up watching. I'll keep watching, but it has ushered in an air of artificial love for a program that was once genuine love. I can't imagine being so turned off by it that my fall Saturdays don't have college football in them, but it might end up that way with me. NIL could be a runaway train and it's too early to see where it will lead.
 
Lesson for UF: Don't make promises to pay someone when you don't already have that money in your hand.

Supposedly the Gator Collective agreed to a deal in principle with Rashada that they could only make good on with a hefty part of it coming from a prominent UF booster. That part never came through and they backed out of the deal. And I can't say I blame the booster; this kid might be a great player, but $13m for an 18-year-old who has never played a down in college is steep. I think you're going to see these gargantuan deals for guys right out of high school dry up and it start to shift towards more established guys. NIL is still brand new and everyone...players, boosters, university admins, etc. are figuring out how to price it.
Booster must’ve figured out big balls Billy was still going to be the head coach. 😂
 
Is paying Nico 8m ridiculous?

To me it’s not for a franchise college QB.

If Nico puts UT in the CFP semifinal on anyone of the 2 years he is QB then 8m will change the program. If they win the NC, 8m was cheap.

How many QBs are elite program changing. Not many, UGA won because of the defense not because of Stetson. Stetson managed games but teams weren’t fearful of him.

And I say 2 because after he wins the Hypesman and NC as a junior, he declares and hands the reins to his sophomore brother.
Honestly with where Tennessee was in recruiting nationally and everything I think it was justified. It wasn’t just about Nico, it was about putting the entire nation on notice that Tennessee was serious in the NIL game. I think even if he doesn’t perform on field we got our moneys worth with the publicity and noise in recruiting.
 
I understand the point about the collective group not coming through on the contract but also shows he is not looking at the school but from the stand point of how much are you going to pay me to play for you. That’s why I say it looks bad on the kid also.
Do you feel the same way about Nico?
All reports stated the kid wanted to work it out and enroll at UF.

Your hot take is negative against the kid, when I see him as the victim in this situation.
He made a deal and it was broken.
Would you go ahead and keep your side of the deal if the other side screwed you.
 
It won't be long before a player like Nico is offered a minimum of $4 million, even if he doesn't play a down. And he'll get bonuses.... $1 million every year you win the East, another $1 million to win the SEC, and $3 million each year you win the natty.

Yeah, that's going to go over real well with the rest of the locker room.
 
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Is paying Nico 8m ridiculous?

To me it’s not for a franchise college QB.

If Nico puts UT in the CFP semifinal on anyone of the 2 years he is QB then 8m will change the program. If they win the NC, 8m was cheap.

How many QBs are elite program changing. Not many, UGA won because of the defense not because of Stetson. Stetson managed games but teams weren’t fearful of him.

And I say 2 because after he wins the Hypesman and NC as a junior, he declares and hands the reins to his sophomore brother.

Nico got 8, has been on board fully and was much higher rated than this Rashada kid who "got" 13 million.

Looks like we got a bargain here boys.
 
It won't be long before a player like Nico is offered a minimum of $4 million, even if he doesn't play a down. And he'll get bonuses.... $1 million every year you win the East, another $1 million to win the SEC, and $3 million each year you win the natty.

Yeah, that's going to go over real well with the rest of the locker room.

No different than in the pros now
 
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At what point do you get enough time from the player you own to get your ROI on the NIL deal. D1 players invest quite a bit of time. Especially if they are trying to make it the NFL. Heck, even in NAIA baseball at a school no one was going pro, the time investment fall & spring just to make it to the bench was atronomical. And most of us didn't even do summer ball anywhere. Every single day from the first day of class to the last class in May was spent at the baseball field or gym. Considering the school it was at, weekends and extra time was optional outside of required time. But you had all your classes early. Formal practice was 4pm to 6pm. THen dinner and study. But, depending on classes, alot of the team was putting in early work in the cages, or extra fielding. Whatever. $8 mil is a lot of appearances and ads. The brokers aren't looking to break even. And you think they were divas before, or were kept shielded from the law. How's a coach going to run a program full of these kids. I'm sure there are a list of outs in the contracts. These kids will be easily swindled out of contract money. Over the long haul, I see more damage than good. You can't tell me they don't get revoked, or even on the hook for re-imbursement if they get arrested for certain actions, injuries, transfers, etc., etc. There's no way these deals are guarunteed.
You may be right that some of these donors wont care about breaking even, but I am thinking a bunch will. Why spend 8 million for a maybe when 200k gets you a pretty similar maybe.

I would think the Egos get handled the same way it does in the NFL. If you want more money, do more.
 
It won't be long before a player like Nico is offered a minimum of $4 million, even if he doesn't play a down. And he'll get bonuses.... $1 million every year you win the East, another $1 million to win the SEC, and $3 million each year you win the natty.

Yeah, that's going to go over real well with the rest of the locker room.
Seems to go over fine in the NFL.
 
I understand the point about the collective group not coming through on the contract but also shows he is not looking at the school but from the stand point of how much are you going to pay me to play for you. That’s why I say it looks bad on the kid also.

If I was coming out of high school as a top recruit and I was picking between two Florida schools, I'd pick the one that offered me $13 million too.
 
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I understand the point about the collective group not coming through on the contract but also shows he is not looking at the school but from the stand point of how much are you going to pay me to play for you. That’s why I say it looks bad on the kid also.
How about not wanting to play or be involved with an organization that straight up lies to you? This isnt an issue with the player, this is an issue with telling a kid anything and everything to get his signature.
 
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How many threads do we need on this?


If you don't think this is going to have an enormous impact in the game as we know it you are beyond delusional. So in my view it's more or less natural that this many threads are involved and this many separate discussions and thoughts are shared.
 

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