Jamal Khashoggi

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n_huffhines said:
https://www.theonion.com/we-will-never-speak-of-this-again-says-trump-to-moha-1830547181
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The paragraph that reads "Representatives of Saudi Arabia say that Jamal Khashoggi was an "enemy of the state" and a member of the Muslim brotherhood... but my decision is in no way based on that - this was an unacceptable and horrible crime. King Salman and Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman vigorously deny any knowledge of the planning or the execution of the murder of Mr. Khashoggi. Our intelligence agencies continue to assess all information, but it could very well be that the Crown Prince had knowledge of this tragic event - maybe he did and maybe he didn't! " is vintage Trump-ism right down to the exclamation point.

It's a passive/aggressive attempt at victim blaming (with the unsupported reference to the Muslim brotherhood) and an attempt to appeal to his base of support that Khashoggi is not to be considered a sympathetic victim because he is a member of the press (Trump continues to call journalists "enemies of the people"). Though he is careful this time (unlike in the past) to not argue against the conclusions drawn by U.S. intelligence agencies, he also (as always!) points to the denial by the accused and use it as a means to cast sufficient doubt upon those conclusions. Regardless of how much evidence may have been presented to Trump, we know that he doesn't want to risk raising the ire of the Saudi's. Perhaps, given the circumstances that exist in the region, that is understandable... and yet, this is another example of Trump looking weak and deferential in the face of brutality and aggression by authoritarian rulers.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No doubt.

For one thing we need to find out about all of Trump's financial ties to the Saudis.
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...and Trump is still suggesting that there is room for doubt about the Crown Prince's involvement in this murder (much like he still suggests there is room for doubt over Putin's involvement in the Russian meddling in the 2016 Presidential campaign) even though the statement concerning our intelligence agencies' conclusion was forceful. The House should demand clarity on what evidence we have gathered and really make it clear that we know damn well who is responsible. Trump just wants this story to go away... and he is both victim blaming Khashoggi and casting doubt on our intelligence as a means to bury this.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The paragraph that reads "Representatives of Saudi Arabia say that Jamal Khashoggi was an "enemy of the state" and a member of the Muslim brotherhood... but my decision is in no way based on that - this was an unacceptable and horrible crime. King Salman and Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman vigorously deny any knowledge of the planning or the execution of the murder of Mr. Khashoggi. Our intelligence agencies continue to assess all information, but it could very well be that the Crown Prince had knowledge of this tragic event - maybe he did and maybe he didn't! " is vintage Trump-ism right down to the exclamation point.

It's a passive/aggressive attempt at victim blaming (with the unsupported reference to the Muslim brotherhood) and an attempt to appeal to his base of support that Khashoggi is not to be considered a sympathetic victim because he is a member of the press (Trump continues to call journalists "enemies of the people"). Though he is careful this time (unlike in the past) to not argue against the conclusions drawn by U.S. intelligence agencies, he also (as always!) points to the denial by the accused and use it as a means to cast sufficient doubt upon those conclusions. Regardless of how much evidence may have been presented to Trump, we know that he doesn't want to risk raising the ire of the Saudi's. Perhaps, given the circumstances that exist in the region, that is understandable... and yet, this is another example of Trump looking weak and deferential in the face of brutality and aggression by authoritarian rulers.
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Looking weak huh ? You wouldn’t know where I could find a picture of a UNITED STATES PRESIDENT bowing to an AUTHORTIAN KILLER. would you ? I mean it , I’m DRAWING A RED LINE IN THE SAND until I find one .
 
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VolStrom said:
One Saudi out of millions that have been murdered have gotten the Democrats to unite as one. Yet when an American gets killed by an illegal immigrant it draws silence.
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You are trying to minimize the lack of response by a President to the murder of a journalist living in the US, by drawing an equivalency to the response of non-specific people to the very non-specific incidents of murders involving immigrants. Weak... just like Trump.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You are trying to minimize the lack of response by a President to the murder of a journalist living in the US, by drawing an equivalency to the response of non-specific people to the very non-specific incidents of murders involving immigrants. Weak... just like Trump.
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How about it’s none of our damn business , we are not , should not be a nanny country .
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You are trying to minimize the lack of response by a President to the murder of a journalist living in the US, by drawing an equivalency to the response of non-specific people to the very non-specific incidents of murders involving immigrants. Weak... just like Trump.
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Minimize? No. Outright stating it’s none of our damn business? Hell yes.
 
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hog88 said:
Shouldn't this be a Turkey SA issue with us keeping the hell out of it?
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Jamal Khashoggi was a resident of the United States who was employed as a journalist by an American business. The lack of response here, could set a dangerous precedent for our foreign agents, diplomats and journalists who are working abroad. As long as the foreign government in question denies any knowledge or involvement, our leadership is not inclined to take any action should one of them be murdered for politically motivated reasons.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It is our damn business. Khashoggi was an American resident and worked in the United States.
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Lol so?
How many non US citizen visas are issued each year to people that “ have or do reside in this country” and are still citizens of another country ? Shouldn’t their country be the one that upset about it . Stop with this nanny crap we don’t want to be California on steroids .
 
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Trump desperately wishes to live in a world where a simple denial is sufficient to cast doubt on all evidence to the contrary.
Look at the hundreds of times he's said "no collusion". His very survival will depend on people blindly accepting his profession of innocence.
 
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