James Conner will be the best pure RB from the 2017 NFL Draft

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

So..... Fournette will both be a bust AND have some good seasons. Wtf? Hedge much? And I'm certain you don't know what a bust is.

Bust = failing to live up to expectations

Fournette is about to be drafted in the top 5. He's been hyped for the last 2 years as an all-time great RB prospect.

If he simply becomes an average NFL RB, then he's a bust.

 

[bamawriter]

Forget Luck. His career just started. I could ultimately be wrong about him.

And Phillip Rivers has been a very good QB for a long time.

Luck has as many AFC title game appearances as Rivers in 8 fewer seasons. But it's too early to tell on Luck.

Good grief.

 

[BearCat204]

Luck has as many AFC titles game appearances as Rivers in 8 fewer seasons. But it's too early to tell on Luck.

Good grief.

It's like arguing with a child

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Luck has as many AFC title game appearances as Rivers in 8 fewer seasons. But it's too early to tell on Luck.

Good grief.

Luck was hyped as the greatest QB prospect of all time. I'm holding him to the LeBron James standard. Anything short of being one of the best ever will be a disappointment for him given his hype.

Phillip Rivers was a surprise pick that year. If you remember that draft, he was not even projected as a first rounder before the senior bowl. And really it was only San Diego that fell in love with him that early in the first round. No one said he was the best QB prospect of all time. His career has been a success given the hype he came in with.

I hold players to different standards based on the hype they come into the league with.

 

[bamawriter]

Phillip Rivers was a surprise pick that year.

You are a liar or an idiot.

If you remember that draft,

You clearly don't.

he was not even projected as a first rounder before the senior bowl.

Bull freaking crap.

And really it was only San Diego that fell in love with him that early in the first round.

The same San Diego that drafted Eli Manning instead of Rivers?

I hold players to different standards based on the argument I feel like making.

Fixed for accuracy.

 

[n_huffhines]

Luck was hyped as the greatest QB prospect of all time. I'm holding him to the LeBron James standard. Anything short of being one of the best ever will be a disappointment for him given his hype.

Phillip Rivers was a surprise pick that year. If you remember that draft, he was not even projected as a first rounder before the senior bowl. And really it was only San Diego that fell in love with him that early in the first round. No one said he was the best QB prospect of all time. His career has been a success given the hype he came in with.

I hold players to different standards based on the hype they come into the league with.

You're putting too much emphasis on hype. I think most of us are looking at it from the perspective of the GM. Regardless of talk, a #2 pick is a #2 pick and a bust is when you screw up that pick.

Andrew Luck is not a bust and I know this because if they re-drafted the 2012 class again, every team who doesn't already have an elite QB is taking Andrew Luck #1.

You have a weird definition of bust. Just adopt the language of the common man and we can cut out a lot of the unnecessary clarifications.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Luck was hyped as the greatest QB prospect of all time. I'm holding him to the LeBron James standard. Anything short of being one of the best ever will be a disappointment for him given his hype.

Phillip Rivers was a surprise pick that year. If you remember that draft, he was not even projected as a first rounder before the senior bowl And really it was only San Diego that fell in love with him that early in the first round.. No one said he was the .best QB prospect of all time. His career has been a success given the hype he came in with.

I hold players to different standards based on the hype they come into the league with.

This is 100% wrong. It's not even debatable.

 

[KBVol]

Hurd was terrible in 2016.

Agreed.

 

[YankeeVol]

This is 100% wrong. It's not even debatable.

Just further proves he has NO IDEA wtf he's talking about.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You are a liar or an idiot.



You clearly don't.



Bull freaking crap.



The same San Diego that drafted Eli Manning instead of Rivers?



Fixed for accuracy.

Go watch this documentary. https://youtu.be/TGCOFDVK_mQ

NFL Network ran it a few years ago and it covers the whole Phillip Rivers/Eli Manning saga. In that documentary they interviewed the Giants and Chargers GMs about that draft. Lots of cool background info. And that is where I got the nugget that Rivers was not a highly thought of prospect until the senior bowl. Before the senior bowl he was in the late 1st/2nd round range. After the senior bowl his stock rose but only into the mid-first round range. Most teams had Roethlisberger ahead of him on their boards and he fell to the 11th pick overall.

Only the Chargers loved him as a top 5 pick. However they had the #1 overall pick and they felt that taking him #1 was too high cause Eli Manning was basically Andrew Luck before Andrew Luck. He was hyped as a generational prospect. So San Diego basically strong-armed the Giants into a trade. Giants loved Eli but they didn't want to give up the ransom the Chargers were asking for before draft day because they thought San Diego would back down to Manning's demands to not be picked by them and to instead go to the Giants. On draft day after San Diego picked Manning, Giants picked Rivers cause that is who the Chargers wanted. The Giants GM Ernie Acorsi admitted that had he not felt a trade with Manning would go down, he would have taken Roethlisberger #4 overall rather than Rivers cause they had him ranked higher on their board. They only picked Rivers 4th overall because that is who San Diego liked.

On draft day you'll see the shock in Ben Roethlisberger and Lee Steinberg (his agent) when Rivers is picked by the Giants instead of Roethlisbeger. Their camp felt disrespected that Rivers went ahead of them cause they were supposed to go in the top 5 and Rivers was not.

Go watch the documentary. Its good.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

This is 100% wrong. It's not even debatable.

I guess many of you have not seen this documentary. https://youtu.be/TGCOFDVK_mQ

Watch it. It backs what I'm saying. Rivers was only highly thought of as a top 5 pick by San Diego because they coached him at the senior bowl. Before that he was considered a late 1/2nd rounder because of his funky delivery. Even after the senior bowl most teams still had Roethlisberger rated ahead of him.

Rivers going 4th overall was a surprise. It only happened because of Eli Manning's trade demand. The Giants GM said on that NFL Network documentary that he would have taken Roethlisberger 4th overall if he didn't think a trade with San Diego would go down. He basically picked Rivers for San Diego (who valued him higher than the rest of the league).

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Just further proves he has NO IDEA wtf he's talking about.

Actually it's you guys that have no idea. "Caught in the Draft: 2004" a documentary by NFL Network in 2014 covers everything I said.

Phillip Rivers was not as highly thought of around the league as Roethlisberger and obviously Manning who was basically Andrew Luck before Andrew Luck. Only San Diego loved him in the top 5 and that was mainly cause they worked with him at the senior bowl.

Most everyone else had Roethlisberger rated high who ended up going 11th overall. Even the Giants preferred Roethlisberger over Rivers. San Diego was the outlier that loved him in the top 5.

 

[bamawriter]

Actually it's you guys that have no idea. "Caught in the Draft: 2004" a documentary by NFL Network in 2014 covers everything I said.

Phillip Rivers was not as highly thought of around the league as Roethlisberger and obviously Manning who was basically Andrew Luck before Andrew Luck. Only San Diego loved him in the top 5 and that was mainly cause they worked with him at the senior bowl.

Most everyone else had Roethlisberger rated high who ended up going 11th overall. Even the Giants preferred Roethlisberger over Rivers. San Diego was the outlier that loved him in the top 5.

I can't tell you how shocked I am that you lied thru your teeth about what this 5 minute clip says.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I guess many of you have not seen this documentary. https://youtu.be/TGCOFDVK_mQ

Watch it. It backs what I'm saying. Rivers was only highly thought of as a top 5 pick by San Diego because they coached him at the senior bowl. Before that he was considered a late 1/2nd rounder because of his funky delivery. Even after the senior bowl most teams still had Roethlisberger rated ahead of him.

Rivers going 4th overall was a surprise. It only happened because of Eli Manning's trade demand. The Giants GM said on that NFL Network documentary that he would have taken Roethlisberger 4th overall if he didn't think a trade with San Diego would go down. He basically picked Rivers for San Diego (who valued him higher than the rest of the league).

First of all....maybe you should watch your own clip.

Second, do you honestly think we can't read what you post and keep up with it? You said:

Phillip Rivers was a surprise pick that year. If you remember that draft, he was not even projected as a first rounder before the senior bowl. .

Then you say a few posts later:

Watch it. It backs what I'm saying. Rivers was only highly thought of as a top 5 pick by San Diego because they coached him at the senior bowl. Before that he was considered a late 1/2nd rounder because of his funky delivery. Even after the senior bowl most teams still had Roethlisberger rated ahead of him.
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Genius, a late first round pick is still a first round pick.

Somewhere a village is missing an idiot.

 

[Dougie_D]

Just watch: https://youtu.be/a1BbJU9eTmE

Alvin is still my guy but he'll be more of a dual-threat RB in the NFL as a killer runner and receiver. But in terms of pure rushing, James Conner is the best RB in this draft. Dude is a straight up STUD. Reminds me of a Hall of Fame RB Franco Harris.

Leonard Fournette and Dalvin Cook don't come close to James Conner and Alvin Kamara when it comes to top RBs in the 2017 draft.

I think you need to do more research on the actual teams they are coming from.

Pitt has a top 10 - potential top 5 best OG in the draft and top 15-20 OT in draft.

And we all know how a stellar o-line can help RB's.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I can't tell you how shocked I am that you lied thru your teeth about what this 5 minute clip says.

Its not in the clip dummy. The show was an hour long. I posted that so you could see the documentary I was talking about.

Lucky for you NFL Network is running a replay of it this Saturday.

Watch it. Its called "Caught in the Draft 2004".

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

First of all....maybe you should watch your own clip.

Smh. I said the info was from that documentary. Obviously the documentary is longer than 5 minutes. I didn't even watch it cause I knew it was highly unlikely that the info I was talking about would be in that 5 minute preview. The full episode is an hour long and I couldnt find it online. But luckily NFL Network is running a replay of it this Saturday afternoon. Watch it.

Second, do you honestly think we can't read what you post and keep up with it? You said:

Then you say a few posts later:

Genius, a late first round pick is still a first round pick.

Somewhere a village is missing an idiot.

This show aired 3 years ago so I don't remember the exact details. I thought I remembered that he was a projected 2nd round pick before the senior bowl when I made that post. Then I checked Wikipedia and it says he was a projected first rounder before the senior bowl. Obviously Wikipedia isn't always right but it did lead to the change and my confusion. I'm sorry my memory isn't perfect. My main point remains though. If you watch the show this Saturday, they will make a big deal of his draft stock (whatever it was) rising tremendously after the senior bowl with the San Diego front office in particular. Before the senior bowl Rivers was a late 1st or 2nd rounder. He played well enough that week to rise on most teams boards. The team he rose the most for was San Diego who was willing to take him in the top 5. The Giants on the other hand weren't enamored with Rivers and preferred Roethlisberger. The Giants GM will make that point clear.

Don't worry, I'll be watching the show again this Saturday with y'all so I can find out exactly where Rivers was on draft boards before the senior bowl whether it was solid 2nd rounder or late 1st rounder.

 

[bamawriter]

Its not in the clip dummy. The show was an hour long. I posted that so you could see the documentary I was talking about.

Lucky for you NFL Network is running a replay of it this Saturday.

Watch it. Its called "Caught in the Draft 2004".

It only took the five minute clip to put the lie to what you were saying.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

It only took the five minute clip to put the lie to what you were saying.

How on earth did it do that?

The clip supported exactly what I said. It clearly says "Rivers SKYROCKETED up the draft boards after the senior bowl" where the Chargers coached him.

Use simple logic. If Rivers SKYROCKETED up the draft boards and he thought the highest he would go was #11 overall to the Steelers before the trade between the Giants and Chargers happened then he obviously started significantly lower. You don't use the word SKYROCKETED up the draft boards for a guy who jumps from the 20s in the first round to the early teens. Obviously Rivers before the senior bowl was significantly lower on draft boards than where he ultimately was drafted and where he thought he would go on draft day which was #11 overall to the Steelers.

Also Giants GM Ernie Acorsi said he had Big Ben rated higher than Rivers who ended up falling to #11 overall with the Steelers. Exactly what I said. And if you watch the entire program he says that he would have picked Roethlisberger 4th overall if the trade for Manning wasn't going to go down.

I watched this show 3 years ago and that actual draft was 13 years ago so excuse me if my memory isn't perfect. The essense of what I said was right though. And supported (if you use simple logic) by that clip.

 

[bamawriter]

I'm not doing this. Your insane projections are funny and create great arguments.

It doesn't extend to completely lying about 13 year old events. You aren't even able to post videos and then be honest about their contents. If someone else wants to argue with you on this, that's fine. But I'm done.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Lol what a freakin' clown.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I'm not doing this. Your insane projections are funny and create great arguments.

It doesn't extend to completely lying about 13 year old events. You aren't even able to post videos and then be honest about their contents. If someone else wants to argue with you on this, that's fine. But I'm done.

So since you can't actually respond to my post you run away. Not surprising.

The YouTube clip was clear. Philip Rivers SKYROCKETED up the draft boards after the senior bowl. My memory may not have been 100% accurate when I said he was not a first rounder before the senior bowl. But the gist of my argument is clearly supported when the narrator says a guy SKYROCKETED up the draft boards after the senior bowl.

While Andrew Luck was preordained as the #1 overall pick a year before he even declared for the draft, Philip Rivers was a surprise pick that early in the first round because he only SKYROCKETED up the draft boards after the senior bowl. And specifically was only viewed as a top 5 pick by one team the San Diego Chargers. The Giants themselves preferred Roethlisberger over Rivers but only picked Rivers cause that is who the Chargers wanted.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

So since you can't actually respond to my post you run away. Not surprising.

The YouTube clip was clear. Philip Rivers SKYROCKETED up the draft boards after the senior bowl. My memory may not have been 100% accurate when I said he was not a first rounder before the senior bowl. But the gist of my argument is clearly supported when the narrator says a guy SKYROCKETED up the draft boards after the senior bowl.

While Andrew Luck was preordained as the #1 overall pick a year before he even declared for the draft, Philip Rivers was a surprise pick that early in the first round because he only SKYROCKETED up the draft boards after the senior bowl. And specifically was only viewed as a top 5 pick by one team the San Diego Chargers. The Giants themselves preferred Roethlisberger over Rivers but only picked Rivers cause that is who the Chargers wanted.

The hell it is, considering your original arugment was he was some kind of surprise pick. He was always considered a first rounder even before the Senior Bowl.

You keep moving the goalposts after you've proven wrong.

 

[NashVol11]

That is not the accepted definition of a "bust." That line of thinking is why you say stupid stuff like calling Andrew Luck a bust.

By your standard, if Josh Dobbs does not have the best season in NFL history, he will be a "bust".

I was about to say, if he's going to be a bust the way Andrew Luck is a bust, I hope my team drafts him

 

[NashVol11]

Not a chance. Cook might be one of the most overrated players in this draft. He reminds me of Melvin Gordon. And that is not a good thing considering how much of a bust Melvin Gordon has been so far.

3.9 ypc is. And he also had 0 TDs as a rookie and also had microfracture surgery.

Typically RBs show their worth early. So far Melvin Gordon looks like a bust given where he was drafted.

Gordon is pretty damn good, but I was at least willing to listen to why you thought he was a bust...

...then you went to yards per carry. Nothing about his skillset, nothing about what he actually can do as a player, but yards per carry. That's lazy as hell. I expected more, but I guess I shouldn't