Jan 1, 2011 tax hikes

#26
#26
55 Percent Death Tax Returns at<br> Stroke of Midnight on December 31st

The death tax is&#8212;by far&#8212;the least popular federal tax. For nearly two decades, every public opinion poll has shown that 60 to 70 percent of adults want to repeal the death tax permanently&#8212;despite the fact that only a small fraction of families will ever pay the death tax. It&#8217;s a tax on work and hope.


If Americans understand that reality with the death tax, how can they not understand that reality with a progressive income tax? Far more who strive to do so are likely to realize the hope associated with moving up an income bracket than that with the death tax.

I never imagined America would have a government so distant from its people or its own founding principles, for that matter.
 
#27
#27
When you have lower tax rates, you have more jobs and thus more taxpayers. That's why more tax revenue comes in even though each person is paying a lower percentage, and also why these tax hikes won't do anything but cause more damage.

If you have more jobs with lower tax rates, why did the economy lose roughly 750,000 jobs per month during the Bush years? Why did the median middle class income actually fall by $2200 a year during the same time? If the Bush tax cuts were so good, how did they manage to take a balanced budget forecasted for ten years out and turn it into the largest deficit and addition to the debt in history.

The estate tax will effect 0.37% of Americans but will raise billions to chip away at the deficit. It is quite American, a number of the Fathers were in favor so as to prevent great accumulation of wealth

We venture down these roads over and over in our country. See ya at the next crash!
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#28
#28
If you have more jobs with lower tax rates, why did the economy lose roughly 750,000 jobs per month during the Bush years? Why did the median middle class income actually fall by $2200 a year during the same time? If the Bush tax cuts were so good, how did they manage to take a balanced budget forecasted for ten years out and turn it into the largest deficit and addition to the debt in history.

The estate tax will effect 0.37% of Americans but will raise billions to chip away at the deficit. It is quite American, a number of the Fathers were in favor so as to prevent great accumulation of wealth

We venture down these roads over and over in our country. See ya at the next crash!
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8 years = 96 months

96 x 750,000 = 72 million

so, it's your assertion that 72 million jobs were lost during the Bush years?

idiocy like that is usually reserved for lawgator
 
#29
#29
I was listening to a radio station. these financial advisors said that if your employer pays a portion of your health insurance, that money will now be considered income and you will be taxes on it. so if your employer pays 5000 a year for your insurance, then that 5,000 will be added to your income and you'll be taxed on that. we are going to get taxed to death next year. it really sad that our country has gotten to this point.

This statement is incorrect.

Health insurance premiums will be reported on a W-2 similar to how 401(k) contributions and the like are currently. They will not be included in Box 1 as taxable, nor under the current plan will they ever be to the individual.
 
#31
#31
This statement is incorrect.

Health insurance premiums will be reported on a W-2 similar to how 401(k) contributions and the like are currently. They will not be included in Box 1 as taxable, nor under the current plan will they ever be to the individual.

True, but neither is yours. Premiums over a stated amount (I believe $23,000) will be classified as "cadillac plans" and the excess will be taxed as personal income. You now pay taxes on life insurance premiums for life insurance over $50,000 paid by your employer.
 
#32
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True, but neither is yours. Premiums over a stated amount (I believe $23,000) will be classified as "cadillac plans" and the excess will be taxed as personal income. You now pay taxes on life insurance premiums for life insurance over $50,000 paid by your employer.

Beginning in 2018.

And the Cadillac plans will not be taxable to the individuals, but to the insurance companies and plan administrators.

From the Journal of Taxation -

Excise tax on "Cadillac" plans. For years beginning after 2017, a 40% nondeductible excise tax will be levied on insurance companies and plan administrators for any health coverage plan to the extent that the annual premium exceeds $10,200 for single coverage and $27,500 for family coverage. An additional threshold amount of $1,650 for single coverage and $3,450 for family coverage will apply for retired individuals 55 and older and for plans covering employees in high-risk professions.

The tax will apply to self-insured plans and plans sold in the group market, but not to plans sold in the individual market (except for coverage eligible for the deduction for self-employed individuals). Stand-alone dental and vision plans will be disregarded in applying the tax. The excise tax will be levied at the insurer level. Employers will be required to aggregate the coverage subject to the limit and issue information returns for insurers indicating the amount subject to the excise tax ( Section 4980I ).

As for the life-insurance, that is current law and not affected by this legislation either way.
 
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#33
#33
"I can make a firm pledge, under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."
Barack Obama

Bernanke urges more &#8216;Stimulus Spending&#8217;

Not that this obvious failure, demonstrated in Japan for over two decades and counting and now demonstrated in the US for the past two years as well, will ever deter the tax-and-spenders. After all, they have a formula. However, as usually happens in great contractions, interventionist theories will eventually be shipwrecked by implacable market forces. The question for the citizenry is largely – can the interventionists be stopped before they have spent everything?

As a reminder why the notion that government spending can 'help' he economy is nutty, the government does not possess any resources or wealth of its own. All is can do is shift already existing private wealth forcibly from 'A' to 'B'. The only way this can have a positive effect on the economy is if we were to believe that the government does a better job at allocating scarce resources than the private sector. This in turn runs into the insurmountable calculation problem of socialism. That government spending is a burden on the economy and will destroy even more wealth should be beyond the slightest doubt. Alas, as you can see, the Fed chief believes otherwise.
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The public knows very well that it will have to pay for all the 'free lunches' provided by the government. Thus the prospect of higher taxes and higher inflation, both of which are usually unavoidable after a big spending orgy, leads people to shelve investment plans. Why invest when you know the fruits of your labor will later be confiscated by the State?

However, it must be noted here: for tax cuts to work, they must be accompanied by a commensurate reduction in government spending. The burden on the economy must be relieved at both ends.
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Thus what is required is not more spending, but more saving and investment. Printing money will only distort the economy more on a structural level – precisely what Austrian economists warned that Greenspan's post Nasdaq-bubble policy would in the end wreak. Never mind that they have been proved entirely correct and were the only economists to correctly predict the bust. Whether one has been right or wrong is apparently not a criterion of any importance when it comes to implementing economic policy. Let's rather do the same thing over and over again, only bigger. It has never worked in the past, but this time it surely will!

This, in a word, is institutionalized insanity.


The estate tax will effect 0.37% of Americans but will raise billions to chip away at the deficit. It is quite American, a number of the Fathers were in favor so as to prevent great accumulation of wealth.

Unfortunately most of that 0.37% of Americans are people who have rural holdings and farm for a living.
(Other family owned small business fit the same category and that is the very backbone of the American economy, not exclusive wall street and international corporations.)

The estate tax is the singly the foremost reason for the alarming rate of the demise of the family farm and mom and pop business establishments in America.

During the administration of FDR who pursued the same sort of fiscal policies of the present administration, one of which was greatly increased taxes, particularly on the wealthy, the truly wealthy put all their assets into foundations and tax free trusts where they remain today.

So when obama and the dimwitrats say 'tax the rich' what they are talking about is taxing the middle class and upper middle class or 'bourgeoisie' into non existance. That is the segment of our population who provide 77% of the jobs in this country.

Not everyone understands that marxism isn't really about making everyone the same, what it is about is establishing a world wide system in which a few wealthy elitists have enormous power.

Even Obama's own chief financial advisor says that increasing taxes has a contractual effect on the economy.

During the administrations of Cooledge, JFK, Reagan and W. Bush, tax relief led to a resurging economy.

During higher tax rates under Wilson, FDR, Carter and Obama, the economy has contracted, thus more unemployment, less availabe capital investmensts, etc. etc.

To a lesser extent the latter would include Clinton but the 'republican revolution' put the kibash on his agenda since congress controls the purse strings.




We venture down these roads over and over in our country. See ya at the next crash!
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The main reason for this never ending cyle is the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and the hundreds of amendments over the years that has stengthened the position of the international cabal of financiers.

Someone tell me again why the current financial reform just passed by the democrats and signed by obambi gives these private entities the right to examine our personal financial dealings in minute detail but we the people don't have the slightest right to look into how these private enterprises transfer trillions of dollars anywhere in the world without our even having the priviledge of knowing where even one dime of it goes.

Does anyone but me see something wrong with that picture????????????????????
 
#34
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Beginning in 2018.

And the Cadillac plans will not be taxable to the individuals, but to the insurance companies and plan administrators.

And those insurance compainies and plan administratiors are going to eat the costs and not pass them along across the board to all the rest of the people who are forced by law to participate????

Get real.
 
#35
#35
And those insurance compainies and plan administratiors are going to eat the costs and not pass them along across the board to all the rest of the people who are forced by law to participate????

Get real.

Do you not understand reading in context?

The topic of the post was that the individual would not be taxed on the Cadillac plans and that the insurer would be taxed, not the passthrough costs inherent in the system by this happening.
 
#37
#37
Do you not understand reading in context?

The topic of the post was that the individual would not be taxed on the Cadillac plans and that the insurer would be taxed, not the passthrough costs inherent in the system by this happening.

The individual is still taxed, just in a round about way.

What's the difference???

And this has already gone into affect, it won't just start in 2018 because I know someone who is having all sorts of add ons in cost and deductibles this year!!!!!!!

What about if you put the whole picture in context rather than quibbling over nonsensical tidbits???
 
#38
#38
Did anyone mention that unions are exempt? That would have to be a violation of equal protection, right?
 
#39
#39
The individual is still taxed, just in a round about way.

What's the difference???

And this has already gone into affect, it won't just start in 2018 because I know someone who is having all sorts of add ons in cost and deductibles this year!!!!!!!

What about if you put the whole picture in context rather than quibbling over nonsensical tidbits???

"Nonsensical tidbits" is making sure that when people make a judgement on Obama and DC that it is about the facts and truth presented, not because of lies and distortions that idiots like yourself circulate because they are morons.
 
#40
#40
"Nonsensical tidbits" is making sure that when people make a judgement on Obama and DC that it is about the facts and truth presented, not because of lies and distortions that idiots like yourself circulate because they are morons.

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#41
#41
"Nonsensical tidbits" is making sure that when people make a judgement on Obama and DC that it is about the facts and truth presented, not because of lies and distortions that idiots like yourself circulate because they are morons.

Do you seriously... I mean seriously... not realize that whether gov't taxes someone who provides you with a good or service who then must pass the cost on to you then net effect is the same as if they had taxed you?

Consumers who are not on the gov't dole eventually pay ALL taxes. The rich/corporations do not pay taxes... they collect them in one way or another.

Our current tax code is NOT designed to be an efficient or even progressive means of raising revenue. It is a means of controlling behavior and has been since about the 1950's. It was just another piece of the Progressive plan for transforming the country from its original design to their design.
 
#42
#42
"Nonsensical tidbits" is making sure that when people make a judgement on Obama and DC that it is about the facts and truth presented, not because of lies and distortions that idiots like yourself circulate because they are morons.

what, exactly, are the facts and the truth? if you dont mind me asking...
 
#43
#43
Do you seriously... I mean seriously... not realize that whether gov't taxes someone who provides you with a good or service who then must pass the cost on to you then net effect is the same as if they had taxed you?

Consumers who are not on the gov't dole eventually pay ALL taxes. The rich/corporations do not pay taxes... they collect them in one way or another.

Our current tax code is NOT designed to be an efficient or even progressive means of raising revenue. It is a means of controlling behavior and has been since about the 1950's. It was just another piece of the Progressive plan for transforming the country from its original design to their design.

You do seriously...I mean seriously...realize I might just be a CPA, right?
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#44
#44
You do seriously...I mean seriously...realize I might just be a CPA, right?
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you're a CPA. got it. what exactly are the facts and truths that we are missing. feel free to use monosyllabic words. because not all of us are CPA's.
 
#45
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you're a CPA. got it. what exactly are the facts and truths that we are missing. feel free to use monosyllabic words. because not all of us are CPA's.

This entire thing started because I corrected a guy who was wrong.

Apparently explaining what is actually going on or what is law versus email forwards that are wrong is frowned upon because it goes into detail for a specific event instead of broader tax/economic theory, which FTR I understand and agree with 100 pct.
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#46
#46
This entire thing started because I corrected a guy who was wrong.

Apparently explaining what is actually going on or what is law versus email forwards that are wrong is frowned upon because it goes into detail for a specific event instead of broader tax/economic theory, which FTR I understand and agree with 100 pct.
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so what you are saying is the insurance companies, who will bear the burden of tax, wont pass that on to the end users? just want to clear that up. correct me if i'm wrong. because i could be.
 
#47
#47
so what you are saying is the insurance companies, who will bear the burden of tax, wont pass that on to the end users? just want to clear that up. correct me if i'm wrong. because i could be.

Never did I say that.

My guess is it will be passed on either to all pilicy holders or to the policy holders of cadillac plans themselves.

Now place commence to try to make yourself look awesome.

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Beginning in 2018.

And the Cadillac plans will not be taxable to the individuals, but to the insurance companies and plan administrators.

that was your post right? and you would surely agree that the tax burden will be passed on to the consumer? or am i incorrect?
 
#50
#50
You do seriously...I mean seriously...realize I might just be a CPA, right?
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I seriously consider any CPA that doesn't know that taxes are a cost to business that must come from somewhere else quite incompetent. The LAST thing that can be cut for a public company that wants to stay in business are profits and dividends.

If an insurance company's taxes go up then that expense may result in lower profits (with implications that could include going out of business). It could come out of its employees' wages or benefits. It could come out of pay outs. It could come in higher premiums.

If you are a CPA and do not know that taxes on businesses are passed on to others... all I can say is wow.
 

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