Japan will be dealing "for decades" from Fukushima

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droski said:
i'm sure there are ways to plan for such an event. i have no idea how much they cost though. they were informed that this facility couldn't withstand a high magnitude earthquake during the planning stage.
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Thank you for pointing out, so crisply and clearly, the absurdity of the counter argument and the primacy of "CAPITAL" in the decision. I was surprised to see you agree with me, and now doubly surprised you have supported me so very well. :hi:

If you can't handle the shorthand, substitute the supremacy of economic rationality in decision making even regarding the rights, health, and safety of real human beings everytime you see "Capital." This is why "Stalinism" was far worse, an economic rationality devoted to production for production's sake over the needs of people.

Regarding nuclear power, you cannot be concerned about the cost.

Different things could have been done, assuredly. I've already given a short rundown of the mendacity of TEPCO in administering the safety requirements of the facility.

Of course, the big problem is spent fuel rods and the inability to PLAN what to do with them.
 
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MG1968 said:
how does this orientation come about gibbs? the revolution you speak of?

what about people (myself included) who don't buy into what you're selling? are we carted off to "re-education camps"? What if we continue to resist?
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Well, as we have shown, you constitute a superminority.

HOWEVER, that does not mean these concerns / outlook / values are not worth hearing.

I'll be honest with you, I am of this time and of this age just like you are. I don't know if there is a final form of democracy. The supermajority can and will make mistakes. It is by no means utopia. In fact, it requires much more responsibility from all of us. I suffer as much as anyone from a "democratic deficiency."

My thought is freely associating producers have to come together and make decisions based on the best information available. I think that's as short as it gets. The devil, naturally, is in the details.

You talk about "re-education" camps, but actually, a lot of "re-education" has taken place in our own time thanks to the power of marketing and propaganda. There is no doubt a small but significant proportion of the population believes "consumer sovereignty" is the height of freedom, the end of history. I just wonder what would happen to that small minority if marketing disappeared.... since we want to get rid of "re-education."
 
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utgibbs said:
I like what you are saying, but I'm not sure you shouldn't be taking a closer look outside your back door.

I certainly suggested no system. I suggested a cultural orientation.

As of right now, the people who have acted unethically, have been completely vindicated as they were bailed out and their power more deeply entrenched, and they have embarked in a "doom loop" (believe that is the phrase of Martin Wolf at the Financial Times) of doing the same damn thing over again.
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Yeah, that's what I mean by croney capitalism
 
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utgibbs said:
Of course, the big problem is spent fuel rods and the inability to PLAN what to do with them.
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Here's the kicker. The nuclear industry has paid billions and billions to the government to have them handle the nuclear waste. What happened? Several billion dollar facilities that will never be used (See Yucca). Maybe the industry should have just handled it themselves. We would have been recycling it years ago (thanks Carter).
 
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Weezy said:
Here's the kicker. The nuclear industry has paid billions and billions to the government to have them handle the nuclear waste. What happened? Several billion dollar facilities that will never be used (See Yucca). Maybe the industry should have just handled it themselves. We would have been recycling it years ago (thanks Carter).
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Interesting slant on one of the most subsidized industries in the world.

In fact, another great example of the orientation of Capital - socialize cost and risk (namely R&D, insurance, disposal etc), privatize profits.

The industry has paid $0.001 per kWhr generated and have $30 billion in the fund today.

Running costs of Yucca Mountain = $58 billion.

I'm not saying nuclear shouldn't be subsidized, by the way. I didn't know Japan was going to send their waste there either.
 
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Is it extremely dangerous, or just above the allowable limit? Only in the time of capital.

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utgibbs said:
Tokyo water is now extremely dangerous for infants.

Concern in Tokyo Over Radiation in Tap Water - ABC News

Maybe in another time, with an orientation directed first at the needs of people, we can harness the awesome power of the atom as safely as humanly possible. Now, we are heading for the second zone of alienation in under 25 years.
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This didn't deserve its own thread, mods? It's not exactly a problem a decade from now....

@volinbham - part of my "schtick" is to entertain. :hi:
 
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