Jason Allen

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(hatvol96 @ Mar 2 said:
Be very careful in who you call out, it makes you look stupid. I dislocated an ankle my junior year in high school, then came back to make the all state baseball team my senior year. Jumping to conclusions just shows how uninformed and clueless you are. You hide behind the internet and blather. Yeah, your opinion matters to me.
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Ok, I'll certainly take your recommendation under advisement :crazy: and while we're on topic, by your own admission you rehabbed yourself for something other than financial gain, yet conclude that Allen didn't rehab himself for the same reasons. You make less than no sense...or did I miss the part where you rehabbed so you could advance your career in the majors with a huge signing bonus?
 
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(KnoxKDX @ Mar 2 said:
Ok, I'll certainly take your recommendation under advisement :crazy: and while we're on topic, by your own admission you rehabbed yourself for something other than financial gain, yet conclude that Allen didn't rehab himself for the same reasons. You make less than no sense...or did I miss the part where you rehabbed so you could advance your career in the majors with a huge signing bonus?
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Again, I never said financial gain was Allen's only motivation. I was simply pointing out that guys tend to put on the performance of a lifetime at the combine. Anyone remember Ronald Davis, who couldn't play a lick, running his way up the draft chart at the combine? Does the name Mike Mamula ring a bell? To your point, do you think Jason would have rehabbed as hard if his future was in the CFL or Arena League?
 
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(hatvol96 @ Mar 2 said:
Again, I never said financial gain was Allen's only motivation. I was simply pointing out that guys tend to put on the performance of a lifetime at the combine. Anyone remember Ronald Davis, who couldn't play a lick, running his way up the draft chart at the combine? Does the name Mike Mamula ring a bell? To your point, do you think Jason would have rehabbed as hard if his future was in the CFL or Arena League?
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Depends on what his other skill sets are... football may be his best way to make a living, even if it was in the CFL or Arena League... OR he could be like Munoz, and not really need football to get on in life. It is a personal situation...
 
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(rwemyss @ Mar 2 said:
Depends on what his other skill sets are... football may be his best way to make a living, even if it was in the CFL or Arena League... OR he could be like Munoz, and not really need football to get on in life. It is a personal situation...
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Very good point rwemyss.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Mar 2 said:
Very good point rwemyss.
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:biggrin2: Thanks.

Don't take this the wrong way Hat, but you remind me of Dodd and Finebaum... you really mean what you say, and make valid arguments with it, but the WAY you say it is meant to stir the pot. Its fun.
 
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You did right here:

You're correct. However, anyone who thinks money isn't a good motivator is delusional. Do you think Allen would have rehabbed if the NFL payed $12 an hour? Get real.

You are implying with this statement that if he knew he were going to be making $12 / hour he'd have skipped out on rehab...but as for your question, I think rehab is about much more than regaining performance for money. Rehab to me represents a challenge to yourself to get better. Rehab is also quite necessary to avoid further issues related to that injury. I imagine the as severely as his hip was injured that he will have some arthritus in it later in life, but the extent that it will affect him later is directly proportional to the amount of effort he puts into rehab now. And realize it's ok to back up and punt in here...I've had to countless times.
 
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Hat, I can't believe that you are actually arguing about this. If you think about it scientifically for a moment, money can't make you run faster. This is a bit extreme.
 
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(Orangewhiteblood @ Mar 2 said:
Hat, I can't believe that you are actually arguing about this. If you think about scientifically for a moment, money can't make you run faster. This is a bit extreme.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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(KnoxKDX @ Mar 2 said:
You did right here:

You're correct. However, anyone who thinks money isn't a good motivator is delusional. Do you think Allen would have rehabbed if the NFL payed $12 an hour? Get real.

You are implying with this statement that if he knew he were going to be making $12 / hour he'd have skipped out on rehab...but as for your question, I think rehab is about much more than regaining performance for money. Rehab to me represents a challenge to yourself to get better. Rehab is also quite necessary to avoid further issues related to that injury. I imagine the as severely as his hip was injured that he will have some arthritus in it later in life, but the extent that it will affect him later is directly proportional to the amount of effort he puts into rehab now. And realize it's ok to back up and punt in here...I've had to countless times.
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Given that Jason was a good student who graduated early, I'm pretty confident he would have skipped out on the rigors of rehab if the NFL were a $12 dollar an hour proposition. There's a huge difference between the rehab necessary for preventitive maintenance and that required to get back to a high level of competition.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Mar 2 said:
Given that Jason was a good student who graduated early, I'm pretty confident he would have skipped out on the rigors of rehab if the NFL were a $12 dollar an hour proposition. There's a huge difference between the rehab necessary for preventitive maintenance and that required to get back to a high level of competition.
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And the final point is, that you have no angst toward JA, and how good a person/player he is... we've been arguing semantics fro two pages...
 
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(Orangewhiteblood @ Mar 2 said:
Hat, I can't believe that you are actually arguing about this. If you think about it scientifically for a moment, money can't make you run faster. This is a bit extreme.
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You think the thought of millions doesn't get the adrenaline flowing a liitle more freely?
 
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(hatvol96 @ Mar 2 said:
You think the thought of millions doesn't get the adrenaline flowing a liitle more freely?
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Maybe but even if they offered me a billion I couldn't run a 4.39. Maybe if I'd rehabed this ACL a little harder... :p
 
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(utvolpj @ Mar 2 said:
Maybe but even if they offered me a billion I couldn't run a 4.39. Maybe if I'd rehabed this ACL a little harder... :p
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But I bet you'd run a better time than you would without the monetary incentive.
 
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I once ran a 4.2 just because there was a pie at the finish line.

Why does this work everybody up? If money was his motivator, is it really a bad thing? It's not like he jogged around the field to protect himself during his Senior year. The Combine was Jason Allen's job interview. Of course he was motivated by his draft position.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Mar 2 said:
You think the thought of millions doesn't get the adrenaline flowing a liitle more freely?
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Maybe, maybe not, but how are you so sure that money is the main factor for that adrenaline? Have you talked to him? Did you personally ask him what was driving him? I'm not saying money isn't an issue for him, but I don't see how the thought of money could get the adrenaline going. It probably motivates him, but motivation is not adrenaline. Most athletes that I have known tap into the darker stuff in life to get pumped up, like their girlfriend cheating on them or something to that effect. You hardly ever hear an athlete say that he was thinking about Sunday brunch with his grandmother or rolling around naked in a pile of money before he makes a power play.


 
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(Orangewhiteblood @ Mar 2 said:
Maybe, maybe not, but how are you so sure that money is the main factor for that adrenaline? Have you talked to him? Did you personally ask him what was driving him? I'm not saying money isn't an issue for him, but I don't see how the thought of money could get the adrenaline going. It probably motivates him, but motivation is not adrenaline. Most athletes that I have known tap into the darker stuff in life to get pumped up, like their girlfriend cheating on them or something to that effect. You hardly ever hear an athlete say that he was thinking about Sunday brunch with his grandmother or rolling around naked in a pile of money before he makes a power play.
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Of course not. If they mention money, which Deion Sanders and Michael Irvin among others have, jealous moron fans start their blathering about "selfish, greedy athletes." Being truthful about their motivations just brings on trouble. If money's not a huge motivator, why do NBA players privately admit the 1st and 15th are their favorite days of the month? Why do guys talk about buying their mother a house and moving her to a better neighborhood when they go pro? I've never heard anyone say they were leaving early to help further the Middle East peace talks.
 
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But like I said, motivation and adrenaline are different. Plus, I don't count NBA players as athletes and I won't until they raise the rims, extend the court and move the arc back a few feet. Right now, they're kind of like adults on a childrens playground.
 
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I don't see what the big deal is either way. Money motivates everybody to some degree. If dollar signs played a role in getting him to rehab, I don't see anything wrong with it.
 
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(GAVol @ Mar 2 said:
I don't see what the big deal is either way. Money motivates everybody to some degree. There's nothing wrong with it.
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But do you go out and run 4.2 40 after you get your paycheck? Or bust a cement block in half with your head?
 
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(Orangewhiteblood @ Mar 2 said:
But like I said, motivation and adrenaline are different. Plus, I don't count NBA players as athletes and I won't until they raise the rims, extend the court and move the arc back a few feet. Right now, they're kind of like adults on a childrens playground.
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Given that professional athletes, regardless of sport, almost universally acknowledge that NBA players are the greatest athletes in the world, it will be hard for me to attach much credibility to your statement. Adrenaline is produced by excitement. A motivated person is more excited than an apathetic one. Ergo, motivation stimulates adrenaline.
 
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No . . . but it does serve as a nice light at the end of a tunnel; especially when you're hurt.

I don't think the money made him faster on the day of the Combine, but it definitely motivated him to work and rehab in order to be as fast as he could possibly be on that day.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Mar 2 said:
Ergo, motivation stimulates adrenaline.
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But that's not the only thing that stimulates it. So how do you know that money is what made Allen run so fast? Like I asked before, did you talk to him about it or did you see dollar bills form a cyclone around him and motivate him to the finish line?
 
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#50
What is this Dr. Phil? My analysis is . . . He clocked a good time. Who cares what his motivation was?
 
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