Jaylen McCollough arrested

You can't follow an intruder out of your dwelling and then assault them without legal ramifications to you.
Also, let me address this point again. I am fully aware of this, but I don't necessarily agree with it... mainly because if officers are able to use lethal force on fleeing suspects, then the same leniency should be extended to homeowners dealing with intruders in the heat of the moment.

No charges against Atlanta officers in fatal shooting of Rayshard Brooks (ajc.com)

And had the video of the shooting of Walter Scott not shown up, the officer involved in that shooting would have been justified.

So there it is. Police can use lethal force on fleeing suspects, but a homeowner that is likely filled with adrenaline in the heat of the moment is arrested and treated like an animal.
 
And that is what I am talking about.

The real victim here is Jaylen McCollough. He was the one minding his business. And the way the system is set up, the person that is violated finds themselves in jail while the trespassing drunkard walks free. Also, the argument can be made, just like you said earlier with regards to Castle Doctrine, that JM would have been better off shooting the guy in his apartment rather than going into an emotional, adrenaline filled rage and punching the guy. That is the dangerous precedent I am talking about. It really isn't that hard to understand that this is unjust. If JM is arrested, how the hell can this drunk trespasser be walking free?

You lost the argument with the first sentence. This could have been as simple as:

JM: Yo man, GTFO!
Drunk Dude: Sorry, I'm out.
Aaaaaaand scene.

People (not just me) have been repeatedly trying to pound into your head you don't get to ignore what actually happened. In the residence JM had lawful protection for many actions. Those were almost entirely voided when he, of his own volition, left the residence and assaulted someone in the process of leaving. Why you are so invested in trying to obfuscate this glaring fact is bewildering.
 
No, that was part of my original comment, genius. It is not my fault that you have poor reading comprehension skills.

Literally everyone comprehends you're trying to push a narrative that's not been supported by anything substantively related to the case in question.
 
You lost the argument with the first sentence. This could have been as simple as:

JM: Yo man, GTFO!
Drunk Dude: Sorry, I'm out.
Aaaaaaand scene.

People (not just me) have been repeatedly trying to pound into your head you don't get to ignore what actually happened. In the residence JM had lawful protection for many actions. Those were almost entirely voided when he, of his own volition, left the residence and assaulted someone in the process of leaving. Why you are so invested in trying to obfuscate this glaring fact is bewildering.
I'm not ignoring what actually happened... I addressed what happened and the aftermath. The victim (Jaylen) was arrested, and the criminal (Zion) is walking free. That is where the injustice is. Either you arrest both of them or you arrest neither or you arrest the actual drunk intruder. Any of those 3 scenarios would be just. But what actually happened is a travesty.
 
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Not that I'm aware. From what I know it sounds like he could certainly be charged with public intoxication.

People that may be wondering about trespassing charges should consider that intent matters in most places. Accidentally wandering in somewhere is not some automatic criminal act. That's not to say there can't be serious consequences as entering into the wrong occupied residence can open oneself up to all manner of harm.

You’re basically right, here.

Somebody accidentally wanders inside your apartment/house and there are a number of defenses, even if they didn’t have any criminal intent. It’s not a guarantee you’ll win, but it’s not a bad case.

If they announce they made a mistake, apologize, and leave back out the door without causing any issue, your defenses to assaulting them don’t usually follow them into the common area.

Which of those (or what else) actually happened would still need to be agreed upon by the parties or decided by a judge/jury.

Based on available information, KPD had probable cause, it’s a pretty standard case, and no precedent is set by making an arrest. JM did the right thing keeping his mouth shut. It means if the official narrative is inaccurate, we don’t find out until later, but it’s better for him in other ways.

Absent the guy getting his teeth all mangled, this is probably a case that goes away quietly. Or that never involves the police. Once somebody gets seriously hurt, there tends to be more investment from the DA and the victim.
 
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You’re basically right, here.

Somebody accidentally wanders inside your apartment/house and there are a number of defenses, even if they didn’t have any criminal intent. It’s not a guarantee you’ll win, but it’s not a bad case.

If they announce they made a mistake, apologize, and leave back out the door without causing any issue, your defenses to assaulting them don’t usually follow them into the common area.

Which of those (or what else) actually happened would still need to be agreed upon by the parties or decided by a judge/jury.

Based on available information, KPD had probable cause, it’s a pretty standard case, and no precedent is set by making an arrest. JM did the right thing keeping his mouth shut. It means if the official narrative is inaccurate, we don’t find out until later, but it’s better for him in other ways.

Absent the guy getting his teeth all mangled, this is probably a case that goes away quietly. Or that never involves the police. Once somebody gets seriously hurt, there tends to be more investment from the DA and the victim.
Can you explain how in the world at the very least, this guy Zion isn't arrested along with Jaylen? How does he get off on public drunkenness or trespassing? That is all I'm asking. This is a bad look for KPD to be throwing the victim of the crime in jail while the trespasser is (as far as we know right now) walking free.
 
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I'm not ignoring what actually happened... I addressed what happened and the aftermath. The victim (Jaylen) was arrested, and the criminal (Zion) is walking free. That is where the injustice is.

Your dogged insistence that JM is the "victim" is legally unsupportable outside the residence. The sheer volume of denial regarding that fundamental aspect of the case would make it appear you're completely immersed in your own personal narrative and should probably just be left there.
 
Can you explain how in the world at the very least, this guy Zion isn't arrested along with Jaylen? How does he get off on public drunkenness or trespassing? That is all I'm asking. This is a bad look for KPD to be throwing the victim of the crime in jail while the trespasser is (as far as we know right now) walking free.
The simplest answer is that there isn’t probable cause that he committed any crime. Accidentally opening the door to the wrong apartment isn’t a crime as long as it’s truly a mistake, you don’t mess with anything, and you leave when made aware of your mistake. Public intoxication has other elements in addition to just being drunk outside your home.

But it’s really not that uncommon for police to ignore minor crimes (at worst this is a c misdemeanor, the least severe crime in the Tennessee code) when the person who commits them is the victim of violence.
 
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The simplest answer is that there isn’t probable cause that he committed any crime. Accidentally opening the door to the wrong apartment isn’t a crime as long as it’s truly a mistake, you don’t mess with anything, and you leave when made aware of your mistake. Public intoxication has other elements in addition to just being drunk outside your home.

But it’s really not that uncommon for police to ignore minor crimes (at worst this is a c misdemeanor, the least severe crime in the Tennessee code) when the person who commits them is the victim of violence.
Public drunkeness? Disturbing the peace? You telling me these cops, who are good at cooking up charges any other time, suddenly can't seem to find a reason to arrest this guy?

And that sounds reasonable to you?

The person that was at home minding his business and gets intruded on goes to jail, but the drunk intruder goes home. You guys are crazy if you don't think that is a bad look.
 
Has anyone stepped forward as the victim’s friend to acknowledge they live in a coordinating apartment in a different building as to who’s apartment the victim was going to?
 
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Also, let me address this point again. I am fully aware of this, but I don't necessarily agree with it... mainly because if officers are able to use lethal force on fleeing suspects, then the same leniency should be extended to homeowners dealing with intruders in the heat of the moment.

No charges against Atlanta officers in fatal shooting of Rayshard Brooks (ajc.com)

And had the video of the shooting of Walter Scott not shown up, the officer involved in that shooting would have been justified.

So there it is. Police can use lethal force on fleeing suspects, but a homeowner that is likely filled with adrenaline in the heat of the moment is arrested and treated like an animal.
Because Brooks was actively using force including possible deadly force to the officers and others
 
Public drunkeness? Disturbing the peace? You telling me these cops, who are good at cooking up charges any other time, suddenly can't seem to find a reason to arrest this guy?

And that sounds reasonable to you?

The person that was at home minding his business and gets intruded on goes to jail, but the drunk intruder goes home. You guys are crazy if you don't think that is a bad look.

This type of “I’m so much smarter than everybody else that I don’t even need to Google the statutes to think I know better” attitude is exactly how many people end up telling on themselves to the cops.

None of those statutes you’re babbling about would actually seem to fit, here. If you’d bothered to look them up, you could have made an argument for one paragraph of public intoxication, but it’s still paper thin and it’s a waste of taxpayer resources to bring that as a lone charge against, I assume, a college kid who got punched down some stairs and lost some teeth.

No idea why the police would cook up charges that aren’t going to stick or why that’s something a supposed fiscal conservative who already thinks police need to be reformed would advocate for.

The rest of what you’re saying would only make sense if the stairs that dude got knocked down were inside McCullough’s home. They weren’t. And the information available to the police is that that’s because dude realized he made a mistake, apologized, and left. The information available to police is that McCullough followed him outside, decked him, knocked him down some stairs, and he lost some teeth. Then there’s blood on the stairs, McCullough had left the scene, and when he came back his hand is bandaged.

That’s well past probable cause. It’s not a bad look. This is exactly how it should go down in every corner of all 50 states. Maybe it turns out to be ******** and he stole something or he’s been stalking the girlfriend or whatever, but that’s not in evidence.
 
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I'm not ignoring what actually happened... I addressed what happened and the aftermath. The victim (Jaylen) was arrested, and the criminal (Zion) is walking free. That is where the injustice is. Either you arrest both of them or you arrest neither or you arrest the actual drunk intruder. Any of those 3 scenarios would be just. But what actually happened is a travesty.
The “victim” of a possible trespassing was arrested because he became violent and ran after and assaulted the other victim. They both can be “victims” in the same criminal scenarios. Zion could’ve been arrested if JM asked to sign warrant for a crime yet JM chose not to. Officers can’t arrest for misdemeanors that didn’t occur in their presence and the evidence and witnesses all pointed to Zion telling the truth
 
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Can you explain how in the world at the very least, this guy Zion isn't arrested along with Jaylen? How does he get off on public drunkenness or trespassing? That is all I'm asking. This is a bad look for KPD to be throwing the victim of the crime in jail while the trespasser is (as far as we know right now) walking free.
Lol you have no clue about the law. And it’s funny you say this when you in the past have said you wouldn’t stop a man beating his girlfriend in public
 
The simplest answer is that there isn’t probable cause that he committed any crime. Accidentally opening the door to the wrong apartment isn’t a crime as long as it’s truly a mistake, you don’t mess with anything, and you leave when made aware of your mistake. Public intoxication has other elements in addition to just being drunk outside your home.

But it’s really not that uncommon for police to ignore minor crimes (at worst this is a c misdemeanor, the least severe crime in the Tennessee code) when the person who commits them is the victim of violence.
This post exactly
 
Public drunkeness? Disturbing the peace? You telling me these cops, who are good at cooking up charges any other time, suddenly can't seem to find a reason to arrest this guy?

And that sounds reasonable to you?

The person that was at home minding his business and gets intruded on goes to jail, but the drunk intruder goes home. You guys are crazy if you don't think that is a bad look.
Quit getting your law knowledge from law and order and felon sovereign citizens on you tube
 
This type of “I’m so much smarter than everybody else that I don’t even need to Google the statutes to think I know better” attitude is exactly how many people end up telling on themselves to the cops.

None of those statutes you’re babbling about would actually seem to fit, here. If you’d bothered to look them up, you could have made an argument for one paragraph of public intoxication, but it’s still paper thin and it’s a waste of taxpayer resources to bring that as a lone charge against, I assume, a college kid who got punched down some stairs and lost some teeth.

No idea why the police would cook up charges that aren’t going to stick or why that’s something a supposed fiscal conservative who already thinks police need to be reformed would advocate for.

The rest of what you’re saying would only make sense if the stairs that dude got knocked down were inside McCullough’s home. They weren’t. And the information available to the police is that that’s because dude realized he made a mistake, apologized, and left. The information available to police is that McCullough followed him outside, decked him, knocked him down some stairs, and he lost some teeth. Then there’s blood on the stairs, McCullough had left the scene, and when he came back his hand is bandaged.

That’s well past probable cause. It’s not a bad look. This is exactly how it should go down in every corner of all 50 states. Maybe it turns out to be ******** and he stole something or he’s been stalking the girlfriend or whatever, but that’s not in evidence.

All one need do is look at this from Ras:

"The person that was at home minding his business and gets intruded on goes to jail, but the drunk intruder goes home. You guys are crazy if you don't think that is a bad look."

Couldn't even be bothered to gloss over or downplay the boldened but flat out omitted it entirely. Literally why the guy "minding his own business" is looking at felony charges never happened in Ras's summary of events.
 
The “victim” of a possible trespassing was arrested because he became violent and ran after and assaulted the other victim. They both can be “victims” in the same criminal scenarios. Zion could’ve been arrested if JM asked to sign warrant for a crime yet JM chose not to. Officers can’t arrest for misdemeanors that didn’t occur in their presence and the evidence and witnesses all pointed to Zion telling the truth

I have generally agreed with what you said in this thread. However, you are assuming Zion is telling the truth. I saw no testimonial evidence outside of his own statements. You seem to have accepted those as truth. I'd say wait and let it play out.
 
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Has anyone stepped forward as the victim’s friend to acknowledge they live in a coordinating apartment in a different building as to who’s apartment the victim was going to?
Nope , I don't think he has any friends and where he lives is anyone's guess
 

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