Jaylen McCollough arrested

[Hunerwadel]

I'm familiar with the logicality and the fact that Jaylen left the residence to attack the guy. I'm fully aware that in the eyes of the law, this is frowned upon.

One guy gets drunk and makes a mistake. He is free.
One guy minding his business and makes a mistake turned up on adrenaline as a result of the drunk guy's actions and he's sitting in the back of the squad car.

Adrenaline may be a reason for his action but it is not an excuse. I'm not saying he's guilty of anything but if he goes to court I don't think adrenaline made me do it will go very far.

 

[Rickyvol77]

By your standards JM should be a hero.

The drunk idiot didn’t live in the apartment complex. He probably drove there. What if he had jumped in his car intoxicated and hit an innocent bystander or a car with children inside?

That has nothing to do with what JM did. If JM didn’t brutally assault a guy leaving down stairs he would have more of a leg to stand on. Again not hard to figure out

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

brooks had attacked officers in multiple felonies and had weapons and could’ve killed the officers or carjack or kill someone in the public thus deadly force was justified

Or even worse, he "could've" ran to the wrong apartment. So again... a drunk man in this instance killed by cops is justified.

A civilian chasing a drunk guy and punching him is in the squad car. That drunk guy "could've' had a pistol or killed somebody driving off or broke into another wrong apartment?

See, I can play the "could've" game too.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

That has nothing to do with what JM did. If JM didn’t brutally assault a guy leaving down stairs he would have more of a leg to stand on. Again not hard to figure out

Wait a minute. Now come on Ricky. The cops writing the report apparently said that Zion told them that he had just come back from getting something out of his vehicle before he had gone into Jaylen's apartment by mistake. So you are telling me that those officers didn't at least think of the potential danger that Zion may have done to put other people at risk if he possibly may have been driving while inebriated? In any other situation, these cops are usually the first MFers to be saying "I smell weed/alcohol on you" and start snooping around and fishing for charges. But in this case, these cops just saw an innocent drunk guy, that just happened to walk into the wrong apartment, have a confrontation and no one thought to at least put cuffs on him for something?

Seems like they just took Zion's side of the story since they couldn't get anything out of Jaylen. For all we know, Zion could have done something or said something after calling Jaylen a "d**k". Maybe he spit on him. maybe he took a swing at him. At the very least, if two guys are fighting, you either take both in or you take neither in... that's justice. Just because Zion had his grill jacked up, that doesn't automatically make him the victim. He was a participant that brought trouble to Jaylen. Equal responsibility.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Or even worse, he "could've" ran to the wrong apartment. So again... a drunk man in this instance killed by cops is justified.

A civilian chasing a drunk guy and punching him is in the squad car. That drunk guy "could've' had a pistol or killed somebody driving off or broke into another wrong apartment?

See, I can play the "could've" game too.

We knew brooks had weapons and attempted to kill or injure people. Where were Zion’s weapons and when did he attempt to hurt someone

 

[Rickyvol77]

Wait a minute. Now come on Ricky. The cops writing the report apparently said that Zion told them that he had just come back from getting something out of his vehicle before he had gone into Jaylen's apartment by mistake. So you are telling me that those officers didn't at least think of the potential danger that Zion may have done to put other people at risk if he possibly may have been driving while inebriated? In any other situation, these cops are usually the first MFers to be saying "I smell weed/alcohol on you" and start snooping around and fishing for charges. But in this case, these cops just saw an innocent drunk guy, that just happened to walk into the wrong apartment, have a confrontation and no one thought to at least put cuffs on him for something?

Seems like they just took Zion's side of the story since they couldn't get anything out of Jaylen. For all we know, Zion could have done something or said something after calling Jaylen a "d**k". Maybe he spit on him. maybe he took a swing at him. At the very least, if two guys are fighting, you either take both in or you take neither in... that's justice. Just because Zion had his grill jacked up, that doesn't automatically make him the victim. He was a participant that brought trouble to Jaylen. Equal responsibility.

Again You are clueless and don’t understand either the law, nor police procedure nor the evidence of the case. You are basing your beliefs off emotional blather and illogical thinking

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

That has nothing to do with what JM did. If JM didn’t brutally assault a guy leaving down stairs he would have more of a leg to stand on. Again not hard to figure out

How did the arresting officers know Zion didn't do something to either provoke or attack Jaylen? I mean, it "could've" been a case of Zion pushing or spitting or whatever as Jaylen was following him or he could have taken a swing at Jaylen. All we have in the police report is Zion's testimony... one side of the story. Jaylen, according to the police report, didn't say anything. So these arresting officers on the scene have two men that were fighting. One guy drunk, not only in the wrong apartment, but at the wrong building, then when he sees Jaylen following him he calls him a "d**k" and he gets punched. The other guy, Jaylen, was in the residence (again, according to their report) and got into a scuffle with the drunk guy.

At the very least, either both get arrested, and you sort it out at the station... or neither of them is arrested. Jaylen has a bandaged hand and Zion has a jacked up grill. Both learn a lesson and life goes on. Or, you arrest the drunk smart azz intruder that called the resident a "d**k", that is obviously a danger just by him walking, much less driving if he isn't even in the correct building.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

We knew brooks had weapons and attempted to kill or injure people. Where were Zion’s weapons and when did he attempt to hurt someone

The police report doesn't give Jaylen's side. Zion "could've" taken a swing at Jaylen or assaulted him after calling him a "dick". According to the police report, that is all the information they had to go by. And out of 4 options they had, they chose the worst one and arrested the guy that was in his residence and that was smart enough to not talk to cops and have court on the street to give his side of the story instead of the drunk potty mouth intruder that "could've" been terrorizing the streets or barging into other apartments.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Again You are clueless and don’t understand either the law, nor police procedure nor the evidence of the case. You are basing your beliefs off emotional blather and illogical thinking

I posted the damn police report genius.

And LOL at your "police procedure". Two guys at the crime scene. One guy tells his side. The other guy doesn't talk. It's obviously a fight. The arresting officers at the time only had one side of the story and made the determination to arrest only one person rather than both and get it sorted out at the station... or neither and just call it a lesson learned for two 20-somethings. Either one of those alternatives would have been reasonable.

 

[volfanhill]

Again You are clueless and don’t understand either the law, nor police procedure nor the evidence of the case. You are basing your beliefs off emotional blather and illogical thinking

He's a few cards short of a full deck. Seriously needs help. It's sad and pathetic

 

[Rickyvol77]

How did the arresting officers know Zion didn't do something to either provoke or attack Jaylen? I mean, it "could've" been a case of Zion pushing or spitting or whatever as Jaylen was following him or he could have taken a swing at Jaylen. All we have in the police report is Zion's testimony... one side of the story. Jaylen, according to the police report, didn't say anything. So these arresting officers on the scene have two men that were fighting. One guy drunk, not only in the wrong apartment, but at the wrong building, then when he sees Jaylen following him he calls him a "d**k" and he gets punched. The other guy, Jaylen, was in the residence (again, according to their report) and got into a scuffle with the drunk guy.

At the very least, either both get arrested, and you sort it out at the station... or neither of them is arrested. Jaylen has a bandaged hand and Zion has a jacked up grill. Both learn a lesson and life goes on. Or, you arrest the drunk smart azz intruder that called the resident a "d**k", that is obviously a danger just by him walking, much less driving if he isn't even in the correct building.

- Jalen’s “girlfriend” corroborated Zion’s story
- the physical evidence matched the story given, including the injuries to Zion and JM’s hand
- calling someone a name doesn’t make chasing after them and brutally assaulting them legal

 

[Tnslim1]

Putting myself in JM's shoes:

An obviously intoxicated person walks into my apartment by mistake. He immediately apologizes, showing no threat (weapon) and due to the fact that all the buildings and apartments look the same I understand his mistake. The guy has apologized and leaves my apartment, I chuckle at the drunks mistake and all is well. No harm, no foul. I do not go running down the hall and assault him for basically no reason. I would still be playing football for the Vols and I wouldn't be facing possible jail time. IMO this is how a sane, responsible adult would have handled the situation.

JM didn't do that.

Fact 1. All of the buildings and apartments look the same with the only difference being the furniture and residents.
Fact 2. Living in an apartment complex my door would have been locked.
Fact 3. The threat (which there wasn't one) ended when the drunk leaves the apartment.
Fact 4. The act of self defense ended when the drunk steps into the hall leaving.

 

[AM64]

Adrenaline may be a reason for his action but it is not an excuse. I'm not saying he's guilty of anything but if he goes to court I don't think adrenaline made me do it will go very far.

I've also got a feeling that most of us not having the size and strength of a well conditioned football player would have shut and locked the door and considered ourselves lucky that the guy simply turned around and left.

 

[MOOOOONEY]

Again You are clueless and don’t understand either the law, nor police procedure nor the evidence of the case. You are basing your beliefs off emotional blather and illogical thinking

You can throw all that BS in the freaking garbage after what we have witnessed since 2020.

You have admitted on this forum that cops do not have to enforce laws and can enforce unconstitutional mandates if ordered by politicians.

Some drunk idiot who goes into the wrong apartment and mouthed off to the legal occupant and gets punched in the mouth is the hero and the guy who by police standards may possible have saved innocent lives goes to jail.

 

[Rickyvol77]

You can throw all that BS in the freaking garbage after what we have witnessed since 2020.

You have admitted on this forum that cops do not have to enforce laws and can enforce unconstitutional mandates if ordered by politicians.

Some drunk idiot who goes into the wrong apartment and mouthed off to the legal occupant and gets punched in the mouth is the hero and the guy who by police standards may possible have saved innocent lives goes to jail.

Zion isn’t a hero at all. He’s a dumb kid who was smoking weed and drinking at college and made a dumb mistake. That still doesn’t mean JM can legally chase him down and beat the s#it out of him because he was angry when there was literally no threat

I would say the same thing if a drunk college kid just mouthed off to a police officer and walked away and the police officer followed him and punched him in the head causing injuries.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

- Jalen’s “girlfriend” corroborated Zion’s story
- the physical evidence matched the story given, including the injuries to Zion and JM’s hand
- calling someone a name doesn’t make chasing after them and brutally assaulting them legal

Where did you see that his gf corroborated Zion's story? I only read she called JM back to the scene.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The guy has apologized and leaves my apartment, I chuckle at the drunks mistake and all is well. No harm, no foul. I do not go running down the hall and assault him for basically no reason. I would still be playing football for the Vols and I wouldn't be facing possible jail time. IMO this is how a sane, responsible adult would have handled the situation.

You say sane and responsible...
According to the police report, it was Sunday afternoon when this happened. What if Jaylen was sitting at the residence and drinking/smoking himself? Maybe had some beer watching an NFL game. And then this drunk guy comes in.

Does Jaylen get the same benefit based on his possible impaired state?

Also, if you are going to hold Jaylen/civilians to this standard that they should be able to recognize who is an immediate threat and who is not, can we hold that same standard on the police? If a regular civilian is supposed to be able to make this determination, then a trained officer should be able to do the same.

Again, you all are talking about the law and what is legal. We know that laws are flawed in many instances. I'm talking about justice.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

- Jalen’s “girlfriend” corroborated Zion’s story
- the physical evidence matched the story given, including the injuries to Zion and JM’s hand
- calling someone a name doesn’t make chasing after them and brutally assaulting them legal

Why do you have girlfriend in quotations?

 

[hndog609]

Putting myself in JM's shoes:

An obviously intoxicated person walks into my apartment by mistake. He immediately apologizes, showing no threat (weapon) and due to the fact that all the buildings and apartments look the same I understand his mistake. The guy has apologized and leaves my apartment, I chuckle at the drunks mistake and all is well. No harm, no foul. I do not go running down the hall and assault him for basically no reason. I would still be playing football for the Vols and I wouldn't be facing possible jail time. IMO this is how a sane, responsible adult would have handled the situation.

JM didn't do that.

Fact 1. All of the buildings and apartments look the same with the only difference being the furniture and residents.
Fact 2. Living in an apartment complex my door would have been locked.
Fact 3. The threat (which there wasn't one) ended when the drunk leaves the apartment.
Fact 4. The act of self defense ended when the drunk steps into the hall leaving.

Bless your heart for trying to interject some basic sense but prepare to be met with lunacy to include (but not limited to) complete hypotheticals that meet nothing in current evidence in this case, obsfucation of what actually can be shown to have happened vs some "through the looking glass" version and undoubtedly some wildly biased conflation of justification totally outside of those involved.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Bless your heart for trying to interject some basic sense but prepare to be met with lunacy to include (but not limited to) complete hypotheticals that meet nothing in current evidence in this case, obsfucation of what actually can be shown to have happened vs some "through the looking glass" version and undoubtedly some wildly biased conflation of justification totally outside of those involved.

Yep, all we have is the testimony of the drunk/high intruder on the police report. Very credible witness.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I'm confused: do some of the posters in this thread have access to JM's testimony or an actual police determination of the probable sequence of events? It would be hard to believe that there is this much argument with nothing to go on but the ass-whipped, stoned guy's statement. Also, has is been confirmed that JM's girlfriend corroborated Zion's story?

 

[hndog609]

I'm confused: do some of the posters in this thread have access to JM's testimony or an actual police determination of the probable sequence of events? It would be hard to believe that there is this much argument with nothing to go on but the ass-whipped, stoned guy's statement. Also, has is been confirmed that JM's girlfriend corroborated Zion's story?

This is what is in evidence as current as I'm aware.

https://www.outkick.com/wp-content/uploads/VOLS-ARREST-PUBLIC-RECORDS.pdf

Actual testimony is, as you correctly cite, is one sided at this point. There are demonstrable components in play outside merely "he said-he said" though. The "arguments" are primarily based on what we do know vs some being pretty loose with injecting all manner of conflation, speculation and justification. The lynchpin in what is causing JM the most difficulty is there is precious little leeway for violent action outside certain protected areas without self-defense being in play. Not to get too far out in front but it would certainly seem if SD was going to be in play that would have been posited early on by the accused.

Setting aside the more lunatic fringe of the discussion until we get anything more substantive, especially from JM's side, we're all rather in limbo.

 

[Tnslim1]

You say sane and responsible...
According to the police report, it was Sunday afternoon when this happened. What if Jaylen was sitting at the residence and drinking/smoking himself? Maybe had some beer watching an NFL game. And then this drunk guy comes in.

Does Jaylen get the same benefit based on his possible impaired state?

Also, if you are going to hold Jaylen/civilians to this standard that they should be able to recognize who is an immediate threat and who is not, can we hold that same standard on the police? If a regular civilian is supposed to be able to make this determination, then a trained officer should be able to do the same.

Again, you all are talking about the law and what is legal. We know that laws are flawed in many instances. I'm talking about justice.

That's several what if's and maybes. I'm going from the police report and until it's been proven otherwise it's all we have to go on. What if's and maybes don't quite cut it in court.

 

[kiddiedoc]

That's several what if's and maybes. I'm going from the police report and until it's been proven otherwise it's all we have to go on. What if's and maybes don't quite cut it in court.

The police report given by the impaired guy that just got punched in the mouth? Seems like shaky ground to be planting a stake in.

 

[RockyTop85]

Putting myself in JM's shoes:

An obviously intoxicated person walks into my apartment by mistake. He immediately apologizes, showing no threat (weapon) and due to the fact that all the buildings and apartments look the same I understand his mistake. The guy has apologized and leaves my apartment, I chuckle at the drunks mistake and all is well. No harm, no foul. I do not go running down the hall and assault him for basically no reason. I would still be playing football for the Vols and I wouldn't be facing possible jail time. IMO this is how a sane, responsible adult would have handled the situation.

JM didn't do that.

Fact 1. All of the buildings and apartments look the same with the only difference being the furniture and residents.
Fact 2. Living in an apartment complex my door would have been locked.
Fact 3. The threat (which there wasn't one) ended when the drunk leaves the apartment.
Fact 4. The act of self defense ended when the drunk steps into the hall leaving.

This assumes some, too. Without Mccollough’s side being told, I wouldn’t assume that they encountered each other immediately and that he had full information about what the guy did in his apartment. If you come out of a room and find a stranger walking around your apartment and he apologizes and starts leaving you may not know that he didn’t have a weapon or that he didn’t steal anything.

Whether it was a valid or just arrest is a no-brainer, but the what-ifs and hypotheticals are valid when it comes to what actually happened or what might happen if it were to go to trial because McCollough still gets to tell his side. They just don’t overcome probable cause to arrest him.