Jerry Green /// Food for thought?

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kiffinator13 said:
Isiah Victor was an immensely talented post who Kevin Oneill claimed could have won him 10 more games if Doug Dickey had allowed him to be eligible. Charles Hathway was a McDonald's All-American who never lived up to that potential but was still a force inside defensively. Toney Harris was also a McDonald's All-American from Memphis who was 10 times better his first three years than his last with Coach Green. Ron Slay was SEC player of the Year and played at Oak Hill Academy in High School, and now plays European ball like Lofton. C.J. Black was probably the best defensive post player in the last 10-15 yrs at Tennessee. Also he could step out and shoot the three and was also pretty highly rated out of high school. Jon Higgins was a career 45% three point shooter,, we could definitely use him now. And Vincent Yarborough was also a McDonald's All American who was starting for the Nuggets a few years ago. So, to kind of sum this up, obviously making an argument that Pearl has had more talent than Jerry Green makes you look pretty stupid.
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1) Tony Harris was a bum who choked at tourney time.
2) If Hathaway and Black were such defensive forces why did Julius Peppers and Brenden Haywood eat them alive in the NCAA round of 16.
3) Ron Slay.....selfish and no defense.
4)Vincent Yarbrough.......starter for the Nuggets? Check your stats. He played in only 59 games and was cut.
5)Jon Higgins..... I'd take Juawn Smith over him every time.

Coming off the dismal Wade Houston/Kevin O'Neil years we all thought that Green didn't get enough out of the talent that he had but other than Slay being the SEC player of the year one year none of thes guys were second or first team All Americans and none of them played any significant time in the NBA.
 
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rockydoc said:
1) Tony Harris was a bum who choked at tourney time.
2) If Hathaway and Black were such defensive forces why did Julius Peppers and Brenden Haywood eat them alive in the NCAA round of 16.
3) Ron Slay.....selfish and no defense.
4)Vincent Yarbrough.......starter for the Nuggets? Check your stats. He played in only 59 games and was cut.
5)Jon Higgins..... I'd take Juawn Smith over him every time.

Coming off the dismal Wade Houston/Kevin O'Neil years we all thought that Green didn't get enough out of the talent that he had but other than Slay being the SEC player of the year one year none of thes guys were second or first team All Americans and none of them played any significant time in the NBA.
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Who?
 
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The 2000-2001 team (Green's last year) started 16-1, dominated Syracuse in the Carrier Dome on national TV, was ranked as high as #3 in the nation if memory serves, then proceeded to lose 10 of its last 15, including a first-round loss in the Dance to Charlotte. That team's roster included Ron Slay, Vincent Yarbrough, Isiah Victor, Charles Hathaway, Jon Higgins, Tony Harris, and Marcus Haislip. Not to mention Terrence Woods, who was kicked off the team for dope smoking when the Buzz regime took over and proceeded to transfer to a small school (I forget where) and led the nation in 3-point shooting percentage. Top to bottom, this was the finest collection of talent ever assembled in a century of UT hoops, and they lose in the first freaking round to Charlotte. That should tell you everything you need to know about Jerry Green as a coach.
 
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DowntownVol said:
The 2000-2001 team (Green's last year) started 16-1, dominated Syracuse in the Carrier Dome on national TV, was ranked as high as #3 in the nation if memory serves, then proceeded to lose 10 of its last 15, including a first-round loss in the Dance to Charlotte. That team's roster included Ron Slay, Vincent Yarbrough, Isiah Victor, Charles Hathaway, Jon Higgins, Tony Harris, and Marcus Haislip. Not to mention Terrence Woods, who was kicked off the team for dope smoking when the Buzz regime took over and proceeded to transfer to a small school (I forget where) and led the nation in 3-point shooting percentage. Top to bottom, this was the finest collection of talent ever assembled in a century of UT hoops, and they lose in the first freaking round to Charlotte. That should tell you everything you need to know about Jerry Green as a coach.
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In your mind. :birgits_giggle:
 
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rockydoc said:
1) Tony Harris was a bum who choked at tourney time.
2) If Hathaway and Black were such defensive forces why did Julius Peppers and Brenden Haywood eat them alive in the NCAA round of 16.
3) Ron Slay.....selfish and no defense.
4)Vincent Yarbrough.......starter for the Nuggets? Check your stats. He played in only 59 games and was cut.
5)Jon Higgins..... I'd take Juawn Smith over him every time.

Coming off the dismal Wade Houston/Kevin O'Neil years we all thought that Green didn't get enough out of the talent that he had but other than Slay being the SEC player of the year one year none of thes guys were second or first team All Americans and none of them played any significant time in the NBA.
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Brendan Haywood didn't eat anyone up in that game. He did nothing, then fouled out. In one of the best admissions of ididocy in the history of coaching, the fool you're trying to fluff admitted he didn't realize Haywood was out of the game. Anyone who says the first good thing about Jerry Green is either one of his golfing buddies or has the basketball knowledge of a hamster.
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hatvol96 said:
Brendan Haywood didn't eat anyone up in that game. He did nothing, then fouled out. In one of the best admissions of ididocy in the history of coaching, the fool you're trying to fluff admitted he didn't realize Haywood was out of the game. Anyone who says the first good thing about Jerry Green is either one of his golfing buddies or has the basketball knowledge of a hamster.
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He was that good of a coach?(sarcasm)
 
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hatvol96 said:
Brendan Haywood didn't eat anyone up in that game. He did nothing, then fouled out. In one of the best admissions of ididocy in the history of coaching, the fool you're trying to fluff admitted he didn't realize Haywood was out of the game. Anyone who says the first good thing about Jerry Green is either one of his golfing buddies or has the basketball knowledge of a hamster.
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Green's results speak for themselves: Four twenty plus win seasons and four NCAA tourney appearances in four years. It will push Pearl to match that.

BTW, how many NCAA tourney appearances did your hero Kevin O'Neil make at UT? The person that you thought would ressurect Arizona.........What a loser.
 
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rockydoc said:
Green's results speak for themselves: Four twenty plus win seasons and four NCAA tourney appearances in four years. It will push Pearl to match that.

BTW, how many NCAA tourney appearances did your hero Kevin O'Neil make at UT? The person that you thought would ressurect Arizona.........What a loser.
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Just admit the truth. You're one of the fools who whined when Green got canned. Rip Kevin all you want. The only reason Green won more than 15 games a year is the talent KO left him with. Left to his own devices, Green brought in the Andy Ikeakors of the world. Funny, that "loser" has never had trouble finding a job. Your pal Jed was rebuked when he tried to get an interview at St. Bonaventure. That tells anyone with an IQ above 45 all they need to know. O'Neill=Able to get work as an assistant with guys who have been NBA Coach Of The Year. Green=Able to find work washing Kelvin Sampson's car. You should stick to talking about sports you know something about, if one actually exists. You do strike me as someone who probably has a working knowledge of men's gymnastics.
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hatvol96 said:
Brendan Haywood didn't eat anyone up in that game. He did nothing, then fouled out. In one of the best admissions of ididocy in the history of coaching, the fool you're trying to fluff admitted he didn't realize Haywood was out of the game. Anyone who says the first good thing about Jerry Green is either one of his golfing buddies or has the basketball knowledge of a hamster.
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I don't like Jerry Green but I used to have a basketball guru hamster that would enlighten me with tons of basketball insight.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Just admit the truth. You're one of the fools who whined when Green got canned. Rip Kevin all you want. The only reason Green won more than 15 games a year is the talent KO left him with. Left to his own devices, Green brought in the Andy Ikeakors of the world. Funny, that "loser" has never had trouble finding a job. Your pal Jed was rebuked when he tried to get an interview at St. Bonaventure. That tells anyone with an IQ above 45 all they need to know. O'Neill=Able to get work as an assistant with guys who have been NBA Coach Of The Year. Green=Able to find work washing Kelvin Sampson's car. You should stick to talking about sports you know something about, if one actually exists. You do strike me as someone who probably has a working knowledge of men's gymnastics.
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Neither has Isiah Thomas.

Actually I never liked Green from the start. He was at least fourth or fifth down the list of coaches that Doug Dickey wanted (including your man Sampson). But, Hat, can you give me another example in NCAA division I that a head coach that won 20+ games and went to the NCAA tournament his last four years and got fired? (except in the cases of NCAA rule violations).
 
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DowntownVol said:
The 2000-2001 team (Green's last year) started 16-1, dominated Syracuse in the Carrier Dome on national TV, was ranked as high as #3 in the nation if memory serves, then proceeded to lose 10 of its last 15, including a first-round loss in the Dance to Charlotte. That team's roster included Ron Slay, Vincent Yarbrough, Isiah Victor, Charles Hathaway, Jon Higgins, Tony Harris, and Marcus Haislip. Not to mention Terrence Woods, who was kicked off the team for dope smoking when the Buzz regime took over and proceeded to transfer to a small school (I forget where) and led the nation in 3-point shooting percentage. Top to bottom, this was the finest collection of talent ever assembled in a century of UT hoops, and they lose in the first freaking round to Charlotte. That should tell you everything you need to know about Jerry Green as a coach.
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I totally agree.............that collection of talent beats any collection UT has ever had, particularly last year's. As much as I loved Smith and his hustle, there was a reason he wasn't recognized with many postseason honors.
 
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rockydoc said:
In your mind. :birgits_giggle:
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As opposed to whom? I know you're going to say the Bernie and Ernie show, or perhaps even going further back to the Ron Widby '67 SEC title team, but note my use of the phrase "top to bottom."

There was also Harris Walker, another talented weed casualty, and the Dane Bradshaw prototype, Jenis Grindstaff.
 
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rockydoc said:
Neither has Isiah Thomas.

Actually I never liked Green from the start. He was at least fourth or fifth down the list of coaches that Doug Dickey wanted (including your man Sampson). But, Hat, can you give me another example in NCAA division I that a head coach that won 20+ games and went to the NCAA tournament his last four years and got fired? (except in the cases of NCAA rule violations).
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Who's Isiah Thomas working for now?
 
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I don't pay as much attention as other folks, but I always thought KO coached way too much and JG coached way too little.
 
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I was told Green ran a very structured practice, but I hated watching him stand on the sidelines with his arms folded and never getting after a very talented team. Pearl would be well served to get DeVoe to teach defense. In my estimation DeVoe was as good a game coach there has been. Before the shot clock and 3 point shot he could take a less talented team and win by making adjustments during the game. Pearl should not be lowered to Jerry Green standards.
 
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1) Tony Harris was a bum who choked at tourney time.
2) If Hathaway and Black were such defensive forces why did Julius Peppers and Brenden Haywood eat them alive in the NCAA round of 16.
3) Ron Slay.....selfish and no defense.
4)Vincent Yarbrough.......starter for the Nuggets? Check your stats. He played in only 59 games and was cut.
5)Jon Higgins..... I'd take Juawn Smith over him every time.

Coming off the dismal Wade Houston/Kevin O'Neil years we all thought that Green didn't get enough out of the talent that he had but other than Slay being the SEC player of the year one year none of thes guys were second or first team All Americans and none of them played any significant time in the NBA.
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Again, Vincent Yarborough started during that year for the Nuggets. You can check it,, he averaged about 10 a game, played 42 minutes in one game, and his career high was 18, which he did 3 times. Ron Slay almost got one of Peterson's team in the tournament. C.J. Black is the career leader all-time in blocks at UT, so maybe you should check your stats, and Hathaway was a solid defensive player but was highly overrated coming out of high school. HatVol is exactly right; if Green was so great, why has no school ever pursued him as a head coach. Get a clue man.
 
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I can't comment on Green, I spent alot of time at K Mart back then.
 
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Can we all just agree that either Brad Stevens or Nolan Richardson are the only reasonable choices to replace Bruce, he is the best we can get so firing him wouldn't be too smart. Hiring a coach that we fired due to lack of production would not be the answer to our current "problems".....which are youth, and "streetball" which both can be changed if you give Bruce enough time to do so.

I just want to state that now we fired Fulmer (diserved it), we have become a little trigger happy with our head coaches. Football was in a downward spiral for 8 years, basketball is half a season and we are already talking about his replacement. Just let the man do his job, even if he has a bad year in COLLEGE BASKETBALL let the man right his wrongs.
 
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hatvol96 said:
As I've said many times, Green's post UT employment tells you all you need to know about his coaching acumen.
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I've never heard of or seen any evidence that Jerry Green ever did any more "coaching" than tossing the ball up for the tipoff and watching scrimmages from the sidelines.
 
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rockydoc said:
1) Tony Harris was a bum who choked at tourney time.
2) If Hathaway and Black were such defensive forces why did Julius Peppers and Brenden Haywood eat them alive in the NCAA round of 16.3) Ron Slay.....selfish and no defense.
4)Vincent Yarbrough.......starter for the Nuggets? Check your stats. He played in only 59 games and was cut.
5)Jon Higgins..... I'd take Juawn Smith over him every time.

Coming off the dismal Wade Houston/Kevin O'Neil years we all thought that Green didn't get enough out of the talent that he had but other than Slay being the SEC player of the year one year none of thes guys were second or first team All Americans and none of them played any significant time in the NBA.
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You're mistaken about the North Carolinal team. Your earlier statement about them being more talented than UT that years is laughable. We were up 8 with 3 minutes to go in this game and gave it away with stupid turnovers. It had nothing to do with their inside players.
 
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truefan said:
You're mistaken about the North Carolinal team. Your earlier statement about them being more talented than UT that years is laughable. We were up 8 with 3 minutes to go in this game and gave it away with stupid turnovers. It had nothing to do with their inside players.
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That is the ultimate "what could have been" moment in UT basketball history (at least as far back as I can remember). I think it was the first time I ever got my heart broken by a UT basketball game.:no:
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
This.
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VolsSportsFan said:
They won despite Green, not because of him. And as pointed out, he's not coached since. It's not like anyone was scrambling to hire him after we got him. Not to mention he did nothing to promote the program.
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No team wins "despite" of its coach. If that was true, then O'Neill would have at least had a winning season once. Green proved that with the right players and chemistry, he could win. Not only did he take the few players left by O'Neill, he added some high caliber players and took the program where it had not been since the early 1980's. If you bothered to check you would discover UT's record for the 90's prior to Green's arrival was an abysmal (90-113) over seven seasons with only one winning season (19-15) during that stretch. Green was not going to get the Vols to the next level, but lets face it, he was not as terrible as some are stating. Bottom line, Green was better than O'Neill and Peterson.
 
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