Jerry Green question

#26
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Originally posted by allvol@Oct 18, 2005 3:08 PM
The Vols were pretty talented when Green was fired.  Buzz Peterson's first team finished 15-16 after much preseason fanfare.  The starters were....

Marcus Haislip
Vincent Yarbrough
Ron Slay
John Higgins
Brandon Crump
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Hold on allvol, don't take my disdain for Green's coaching as any sort of support for Buzz Peterson. Although you do have to factor in that Slay missed a huge chunk of that season with a knee injury. Peterson was every bit as overmatched as Green, if not more so.
 
#27
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It is apparent that you have a personal dislike for Jerry Green. You are obviously letting your personal feelings dictate how you view his accomplishments.

Neither I nor anyone else will never be able to convince you that the firing of Jerry Green was shameful. It gave the University a black eye in the national press.

I have never said that Jerry Green was the greatest coach, nor did I say he was the greatest person. However, I do know that his coaching record at UT stands high and above any coach that UT has EVER had. And I also know that the Vols sucked before he was there and they sucked after he was there. Truth and stats don't lie. All the other little internet opinions are nothing.
 
#28
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Originally posted by allvol@Oct 18, 2005 2:59 PM
The facts are that Green did not get along with AD Doug Dickey and some of the major donors. 

None of the crap you guys are writing was enough to fire a coach that was winning at the rate he was.  There are plenty of coaches out there getting dui's getting caught with prostitutes, etc.  "but Jerry Green lost in the NCAA tournament"  AT LEAST HE TOOK TEAMS TO THE NCAA TOURNAMENT.  "he hurt the fans feelings"  PLEASE, IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO HURT FANS FEELINGS AT UT.  JUST READ ALOT OF THE POSTINGS ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD.

The loss to Illinois State was by 1-point in overtime.  Disappointing yes.... but Tennessee was just happy to be at the NCAA tournament that season after such a long drought from being there.  SE Missouri State was bad.  The previous poster did not mention the WIN over UCONN... yes THAT UCONN and the narrow loss to UNC in the sweet 16.  I from recollection, UNC-Charlotte has been good for quite a while.  They've certainly been to more NCAA tourments and have more victories than the Vols in NCAA tourney history.

The previous posters also failed to mention that Jerry Green beat Kentucky on a regular basis.

Hopefully Pearl can get us back to the level of national prominence that the Vols enjoyed while Green was coach..... that is if he doesn't get fired soon.

You see, the University... and fans included.... will fire coaches at the drop of a hat.  They've gotten quite a bad reputation for that nationally.  To see that mentality... just visit any Vols football home game and you can hear the fans screaming for whoever the backup quarterback is.  Even when Peyton Manning was at UT... you could hear the fans, "put in Brandon Stewart!"
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You have a lot to learn.
 
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Originally posted by Vol67@Oct 17, 2005 6:54 PM
Also Green was not a very good recruiter as evidenced by the fall of UT basketball
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The drafting of Vincent Yarbrough and Marcus Haislip was the first time since the last 1980's that the Vols have had 2 players drafted into the NBA.

You guys need to get your stories together. Was it because Green won 20+ games with bad talent because he could not recruit.... or was it because he underachieved with final four talent?

And before you say it.... KO had nothing to do with recruiting final four talent to Tennessee. You guys give KO more credit than anywhere else he's been. He's had alot of coaching jobs... but he loses everywhere he goes. Green has had a few coaching jobs... but wins everywhere he goes.
 
#31
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Originally posted by allvol@Oct 18, 2005 4:08 PM
The Vols were pretty talented when Green was fired.  Buzz Peterson's first team finished 15-16 after much preseason fanfare.  The starters were....

Marcus Haislip
Vincent Yarbrough
Ron Slay
John Higgins
Brandon Crump
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Where were the Point Guards?

Dismissed because they flunked numerous drug test under Green then Peterson. You do remember them don't you?

Yarbrough - You mean the biggest bust anyone has had in the last 20 years in UT basketball.

Higgins was a streaky SG forced to play the point, plus since you seem to be so forgetful who was the guards off the bench that year.

Green won game with someone elses talent but did not care for the fans and continually put the Atheletic Dept in a bad light. The players ran the team not Green. Every year for 4 years after his teams got off to a great start against average competition then it went into a tailspin after the middle of the year.

Green wasn't the answer and neither was Peterson obviously altho as a human being Peterson was way farther up the ladder than Jerry Green ever hoped to be.

Green is gone and 90% of all UT fans are GLAD!
 
#32
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Originally posted by allvol@Oct 18, 2005 3:26 PM
The drafting of Vincent Yarbrough and Marcus Haislip was the first time since the last 1980's that the Vols have had 2 players drafted into the NBA.

You guys need to get your stories together.  Was it because Green won 20+ games with bad talent because he could not recruit.... or was it because he underachieved with final four talent?

And before you say it.... KO had nothing to do with recruiting final four talent to Tennessee.  You guys give KO more credit than anywhere else he's been.  He's had alot of coaching jobs... but he loses everywhere he goes.  Green has had a few coaching jobs... but wins everywhere he goes.
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Yeah, O'neill gets jobs at basketball's highest level, the NBA, but a guy who can't get a job is a better coach. Ask Rick Carlisle, Jeff Van Gundy, Pat Riley, and Lute Olson what a lousy coach KO is. KO also made the round of 16 at Marquette, who had been dead in the water for years before he got there. Hey, that's ironic, KO built his round of 16 team AND Jerry Green's.
 
#33
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Originally posted by Vol67@Oct 18, 2005 3:27 PM
Where were the Point Guards?

Dismissed because they flunked numerous drug test under Green then Peterson. You do remember them don't you?

Yarbrough - You mean the biggest bust anyone has had in the last 20 years in UT basketball.

Higgins was a streaky SG forced to play the point, plus since you seem to be so forgetful who was the guards off the bench that year.

Green won game with someone elses talent but did not care for the fans and continually put the Atheletic Dept in a bad light. The players ran the team not Green. Every year for 4 years after his teams got off to a great start against average competition then it went into a tailspin after the middle of the year.

Green wasn't the answer and neither was Peterson obviously altho as a human being Peterson was way farther up the ladder than Jerry Green ever hoped to be.

Green is gone and 90% of all UT fans are GLAD!
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Wow, 67. Think how bad Green had to be for the two of us to agree on something basketball related.
 
#34
#34
you must be referring to Terence Woods, who transferred to Florida A&M and led the NCAA in 3-point shooting for 2 seasons.
 
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Originally posted by allvol@Oct 18, 2005 3:35 PM
you must be referring to Terence Woods, who transferred to Florida A&M and led the NCAA in 3-point shooting for 2 seasons.
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Actually he's referencing Harris Walker.
 
#36
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KO didn't build squat at Tennessee except a bunch of sub-.500 teams.

And yes he's coached in the NBA and lost and lost and lost.... he's a loser!
 
#37
#37
Harris Walker was one of the best players to come out of Chattanooga. He tried to transfer to UTC, didn't make it and then just disappeared. Probably still smoking weed somewhere in Chattanooga?
 
#38
#38
I know this is a basketball thread.... but why are we discussing basketball during the 3rd Saturday in October?
 
#39
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Originally posted by allvol@Oct 18, 2005 3:35 PM
you must be referring to Terence Woods, who transferred to Florida A&M and led the NCAA in 3-point shooting for 2 seasons.
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That statement might be part of the reason there is an argument going on. Yeah, he led the NCAA in 3-point shooting for 2 seasons. So, that makes it ok to do what he did? He had no discipline on the practice floor and got caught with illegeal drugs on more than one occassion. Under Jerry Green, he did not care about this stuff as long as he gave the potential of leading the NCAA in 3-point shooting who cares right? Same with Harris Walker. I played against him when he was at Brainard. He is one of the best athletes and best PG's to play high school basketball in Tennessee. He would have been a HUGE help to that team in Buzz Peterson's first season. If Jerry Green had still been the coach at UTK Harris Walker would have never been kicked off the team. Do you argue that point? Green would have looked the other way and not cared about what Walker was doing.
 
#40
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Winning at "all costs" comes back to bite you in the end. And, that is what happened to Jerry Green. He let the players run the team and had no discipline and when it came crunch time the teams character came through...with failing grades!
 
#41
#41
The only "official" reports I ever read regarding drug use by UT players was Harris Walker. Had not heard any of the Terence Woods allegations. The quotes I read said that he left because he was loyal to Green and he had a better oppty to start somewhere else. If you guys have more official articles or anything like that .. I've been wanting to read it since Green was fired. That has been part of my frustration as a fan is that so far the only "news" has been internet rumours and word of mouth. For all I know that stuff spread on the internet to justify his firing. If someone could actually prove to me that Green was letting the players do whatever they wanted I might change my opinion of him. However, Ray Mears is still regarded highly and Bernard King got away with everything while he was at UT.
 
#42
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Originally posted by allvol@Oct 18, 2005 3:44 PM
I know this is a basketball thread.... but why are we discussing basketball during the 3rd Saturday in October?
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Have you been watching our football team's offense? THAT'S why we're talking hoops.
 
#43
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Originally posted by allvol@Oct 18, 2005 3:36 PM
KO didn't build squat at Tennessee except a bunch of sub-.500 teams.

And yes he's coached in the NBA and lost and lost and lost.... he's a loser!
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At least his teams played hard and showed some discipline. I know the 40-point games weren't pretty but it was fundamental bball. If JG had forced his players to play half as hard on the defensive side, it wouldn't have mattered if he had mooned the fans in TBA, he'd still be coaching. I just got fed up with watching uninspired bball from such talented teams.
 
#44
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Originally posted by allvol@Oct 18, 2005 3:54 PM
The only "official" reports I ever read regarding drug use by UT players was Harris Walker.  Had not heard any of the Terence Woods allegations.  The quotes I read said that he left because he was loyal to Green and he had a better oppty to start somewhere else.  If you guys have more official articles or anything like that .. I've been wanting to read it since Green was fired.  That has been part of my frustration as a fan is that so far the only "news" has been internet rumours and word of mouth.  For all I know that stuff spread on the internet to justify his firing.  If someone could actually prove to me that Green was letting the players do whatever they wanted I might change my opinion of him.  However, Ray Mears is still regarded highly and Bernard King got away with everything while he was at UT.
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I think watching Tony Harris on the court was a pretty good indication of how loose a ship Green was running.
 
#45
#45
Originally posted by allvol@Oct 18, 2005 3:54 PM
Bernard King got away with everything while he was at UT.
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Including a TV or 2 :biggrin2:
 
#47
#47
How many drug test do you think Reggie Cobb failed at UT?

Hint: more than 4
 
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Originally posted by allvol@Oct 18, 2005 4:44 PM
I know this is a basketball thread.... but why are we discussing basketball during the 3rd Saturday in October?
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The 22nd will be the fourth Saturday this October. That kinda screws up the name of this rivalry. :huh:
 
#49
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Originally posted by ukvols@Oct 18, 2005 9:31 PM
The 22nd will be the fourth Saturday this October.  That kinda screws up the name of this rivalry. :huh:
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You can thank Dick ey for that.
 
#50
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Originally posted by allvol@Oct 18, 2005 3:19 PM
Please quit lying on this board.

I know trainers that worked for him.... I know players that played for him while he coached at UNC-Asheville.  I also know that about 90% of what is written by others about Green on these message boards is revisionist history and pure crap.
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I really don't give rats @$$ who you "know". Everyone has the right to their opinion. However, unless you were THERE AND A MEMBER OF THE TEAM--LIKE I WAS...do NOT call me a lier. I take serious offense to that. :realmad:

Vol Insider :ninja:
 
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