JJJ Question

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Stoerner Fumbles said:
He averages 9 points and 5.5 rebounds a game without reading your manifesto.
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Wasn’t a manifesto. It is an obvious fact. Yeah he Is close to double figures but for him, he may have to increase his shot frequency by 36% per game just to get one more basketball. I like the guy but he can’t shoot. Certainly stats don’t bear it out. He shoots well for a game or two and everyone expects it every game. That will never be him.
 
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Namorto1 said:
Wasn’t a manifesto. It is an obvious fact. Yeah he Is close to double figures but for him, he may have to increase his shot frequency by 36% per game just to get one more basketball. I like the guy but he can’t shoot. Certainly stats don’t bear it out. He shoots well for a game or two and everyone expects it every game. That will never be him.
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Since January 22nd, James has averaged 12.6 points and has shot 38% from three-point range. In the first part of the season, he had a torn ligament in his hand. By everyone’s account, his three ball is the best it’s been. No one had a good night shooting on Arkansas. Chandler couldn’t hit a layup. Teams have bad shooting nights. James is a top five defensive impact player in the country. He’s traditionally been a good but not great shooter, but he makes a huge contribution to the team. The last month is the best three point shooting of his career.
 
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I4Vols said:
The coaches game plan warned the players about the high probability of drawing charges. One could argue that James listened and Chandler/Vescovi didn't believe them. Arky did a good job taking away the inside, albeit with some buy in from the one ref on charge calls vs blocking.
What would have made the difference? Someone, anyone, hitting some 3's from the outside on an away court... 1-9, 1-5 & 0-6 on three's from Chandler/Vescovi/James doesn't win ball games for a team that was expected this year to shoot, and more importantly, hit a threes. Z hit 2-3 three's but went 0-5 on other shots... welcome to SEC ref'ing at away games (just ask UK about TBA this week)
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You can't just quit driving. If the whole team fouls out get on the bus and go home. We have no post up game so we have to drive to create.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
Since January 22nd, James has averaged 12.6 points and has shot 38% from three-point range. In the first part of the season, he had a torn ligament in his hand. By everyone’s account, his three ball is the best it’s been. No one had a good night shooting on Arkansas. Chandler couldn’t hit a layup. Teams have bad shooting nights. James is a top five defensive impact player in the country. He’s traditionally been a good but not great shooter, but he makes a huge contribution to the team. The last month is the best three point shooting of his career.
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James is a solid all around player but cherry picking shooting stats doesn't make him a good shooter. His career stats tell you what he is. He should be driving to the basket, using his mid range game, and shooting wide open threes late in the shot clock.
 
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ColinS said:
James is a solid all around player but cherry picking shooting stats doesn't make him a good shooter. His career stats tell you what he is. He should be driving to the basket, using his mid range game, and shooting wide open threes late in the shot clock.
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I’m not cherry picking. His career stats are 33% from 3. That’s just ok. My point is, like Admiral, he spent a thousand shots a day in the gym this Summer and the coaches said he had become the most reliable 3 on the team. He got a ligament injury, also easily accessible information, and then emerged to shoot the best percentage of his career. He may become a great 3 point shooter. He may not. People act like there is a shooting plateau for him. There isn’t. There are endless examples of good shooters becoming great. There are more examples of good shooters becoming great when it means millions in your future. He’s the purest NBA body on the team besides BHH. The scout says one thing in bold, “Must improve his three”.
 
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cardvolfan said:
I get your point, and it’s good. Getting to the rim “with ease” just doesn’t happen often or with ease, especially with half court sets.
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A 3pt shot fake and a relentless drive to the rim would revolutionize his game IMO. I also happen to believe it would make our team better.

With that said, I'm not sure it would've mattered Saturday with Ark players flailing themselves in front of us and getting those ridiculous charge calls.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
I’m not cherry picking. His career stats are 33% from 3. That’s just ok. My point is, like Admiral, he spent a thousand shots a day in the gym this Summer and the coaches said he had become the most reliable 3 on the team. He got a ligament injury, also easily accessible information, and then emerged to shoot the best percentage of his career. He may become a great 3 point shooter. He may not. People act like there is a shooting plateau for him. There isn’t. There are endless examples of good shooters becoming great. There are more examples of good shooters becoming great when it means millions in your future. He’s the purest NBA body on the team besides BHH. The scout says one thing in bold, “Must improve his three”.
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The ligament crap is way overblown. If his hand was hurting he shouldn't have been shooting. When did it stop hurting? Did he suddenly start making shots when it did? We don't know the answer to any of this. All we know is he went on a recent hot streak that built up our hopes and has went back in the tank the last three games. For now I will judge him for his career as a whole instead of the last 3 games, or the last 10 games, etc. All I know is we need him be a legit offensive threat and the best way for that to happen is for him to attack and use his mid range game that has been good all season.
 
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keenobserver said:
A 3pt shot fake and a relentless drive to the rim would revolutionize his game IMO. I also happen to believe it would make our team better.

With that said, I'm not sure it would've mattered Saturday with Ark players flailing themselves in front of us and getting those ridiculous charge calls.
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It's not that JJJ should absolutely never shoot a three pointer it's just that his mentality should be to drive the basketball all the time.
 
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ColinS said:
The ligament crap is way overblown. If his hand was hurting he shouldn't have been shooting. When did it stop hurting? Did he suddenly start making shots when it did? We don't know the answer to any of this. All we know is he went on a recent hot streak that built up our hopes and has went back in the tank the last three games. For now I will judge him for his career as a whole instead of the last 3 games, or the last 10 games, etc. All I know is we need him be a legit offensive threat and the best way for that to happen is for him to attack and use his mid range game that has been good all season.
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Sometimes I forget that you’re a doctor and a coach… My read on his improved shooting this Summer, and the injury in the Fall come from his coach. As for his improved three shooting, that came from the coaches and the players after his missed buzzer shot. I don’t know your source for saying his injury was overblown, unless you installed a pain meter on his hand. I remember our whole fan base complaining about Admiral missing threes. God forbid we trust the people who observe the players eight hours a day.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
Sometimes I forget that you’re a doctor and a coach… My read on his improved shooting this Summer, and the injury in the Fall come from his coach. As for his improved three shooting, that came from the coaches and the players after his missed buzzer shot. I don’t know your source for saying his injury was overblown, unless you installed a pain meter on his hand. I remember our whole fan base complaining about Admiral missing threes. God forbid we trust the people who observe the players eight hours a day.
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My point is if he was injured for say 10 games. Then that's like 10% of his career. His career stats would suggest that he is an average three point shooter at best.
 
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ColinS said:
My point is if he was injured for say 10 games. Then that's like 10% of his career. His career stats would suggest that he is an average three point shooter at best.
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His career to date, yes. Apple stock also traded at $12 for a couple of years. My point is that trends exist, and shooters can improve from good to great. I’m using Admiral as an example because he went from 30-42% from 3 over his career, and from 39 to 42 in his final year. The difference was a thousand shots a day. That’s the program Barnes put JJJ on this Summer. Feel free to decide how many threes you think he should take. I’m just saying I’ll leave that call to the experts.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
His career to date, yes. Apple stock also traded at $12 for a couple of years. My point is that trends exist, and shooters can improve from good to great. I’m using Admiral as an example because he went from 30-42% from 3 over his career, and from 39 to 42 in his final year. The difference was a thousand shots a day. That’s the program Barnes put JJJ on this Summer. Feel free to decide how many threes you think he should take. I’m just saying I’ll leave that call to the experts.
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But he is not shooting any better this year compared to last year. Hopefully he gets hot again like he was a few games ago to finish out the season. If he jumps up to a 40% 3pt shooter next year we will be really really good. Even Vescovi is not shooting that high of a percentage.
 
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GBO18 said:
But he is not shooting any better this year compared to last year. Hopefully he gets hot again like he was a few games ago to finish out the season. If he jumps up to a 40% 3pt shooter next year we will be really really good. Even Vescovi is not shooting that high of a percentage.
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Yeah, read the thread. Believe it or not, the coaches and players say he was the best 3 on the team prior to the injury. Post injury he’s shot well. In the Arkansas game he, and everyone else did not. I’m not making a guarantee on where he’s headed, but great players who put in the work get better. Let’s hope he does.
 
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CAVPUT said:
My approach to JJJ and Fulky is to never count on those two. Both are consistently inconsistent. What you get from them is gravy. We will go as far as our guard play can take us.
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It's sad because our program is all about player development........
 
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You guys that follow basketball more than I, what about the moving pick on Plav?

In the replay it looked like that call could have gone both ways, but if I were impartial ref, it would have been a no-call.

Agree or disagree? That was a big change in momentum.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
Yeah, read the thread. Believe it or not, the coaches and players say he was the best 3 on the team prior to the injury. Post injury he’s shot well. In the Arkansas game he, and everyone else did not. I’m not making a guarantee on where he’s headed, but great players who put in the work get better. Let’s hope he does.
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Not sure the need to be grumpy. You are trying to carry JJJs water. Everybody would agree he is important on the defensive end. He had a nice 5-6 game stretch recently but has now reverted back to being extremely inconsistent shooting. All his offensive stats are worse this year so far. You can blame that on his finger that is fine.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
Yeah, read the thread. Believe it or not, the coaches and players say he was the best 3 on the team prior to the injury. Post injury he’s shot well. In the Arkansas game he, and everyone else did not. I’m not making a guarantee on where he’s headed, but great players who put in the work get better. Let’s hope he does.
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I'd believe that except for Vescovi. I have a hard time believing JJJ has ever been a better shooter than Santi.
 
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Vol49er said:
Or Powell. If we could combine JJJ’s willingness to shoot threes with Powell’s ability to, we’d be golden
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True. Powell is scared to shoot. Outside of Chandler he might have the shortest leash when it comes to be yanked out of games for screwing up.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
Yeah, read the thread. Believe it or not, the coaches and players say he was the best 3 on the team prior to the injury. Post injury he’s shot well. In the Arkansas game he, and everyone else did not. I’m not making a guarantee on where he’s headed, but great players who put in the work get better. Let’s hope he does.
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Every year in the offseason you hear "player A is in the best shape of his life" or "player B has really improved _________". It's every year, at every program, in every single sport. How many summer darlings has the football program had over the years that hasn't shown up when it counts?

Fulky had a stretch where he looked like an All American and people held onto that belief for a while until finally looking at the overall body of work and seeing it was just a hot stretch. JJJ hasn't been a good 3 point shooter for the bulk of his almost 3 years here. That doesn't mean he is a bad player or that he has zero chance of getting better at it, but other than blind homerism, there isn't any reason to currently think he will be a good shooter from 3.
 
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Vol49er said:
To be fair I wouldn’t be playing him much either at this point, he simply does not assert himself enough to make any sort of impact
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He's scared to shoot for some reason. Unless he's wide-open, which he doesn't work hard to do, then he is hoping for a penetrator to kick back out to him. Outside of that, he's am offensive liability with his current mindset. I never imagined I'd say that.
 
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