Joe VS Past TN QBs

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#128
perico said:
I’d flip Dobbs and Clausen. Dobbs is #2 for me. He improved every year while Casey peaked as a sophomore and Dobbs numbers his senior year are unmatched by anyone bar Hooker- an even more impressive achievement when he did it without a QB coach and an offensive coordinator who spent the previous 7 years cleaning pools on Michigan.
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I always doubted Sanders because of this. Fulmer held on to him way too long
 
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#129
njvols said:
Why do we have to put JM where he isn't...on both ends of the spectrum? JM did fine, and I'm thankful he was a Vol on the field and off...but I think we would be gassed out on him if this were his third year at the helm. You also wonder if we'd have gotten Nico if Hooker didn't put JH's offense on national display. Got to give JH credit for recognizing what JM would give us, and pivoted strongly towards the running game and didn't put it all on him like he did w/ Hooker.

If we put Joe on a team like Miz this year, we're probably looking at more W's. We don't have the 2 deep depth yet on both sides of the field to offset the lack of a top tier QB.
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If Milton had Hyatt, Tillman, McCoy to throw to this year….. I think a lot more people would be praising him
 
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Carl Pickens said:
If Milton had Hyatt, Tillman, McCoy to throw to this year….. I think a lot more people would be praising him
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Definitely would have made a difference. That's why, other than OL, I think WR group is critical to get some NFL talent @ multiple spots. Can't afford another year where WRs don't get separation. Maybe we have some young guys ready to step up but if not, it's hard to believe a talented portal guy isn't out there who would want to boost resume catching balls from Nico.
 
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Voltopia said:
Statistically he does well in a comparison, no argument.

However, I also submit that Heupel's offensive-minded approach contributes to that stat line. He's had offenses ranked in the top 10 for scoring in the previous 5 years, and that's not by accident. Heupel's offense approach is light years ahead of anything we saw from Dooley, or Butch, or the Bammer.

If you took guys like Ainge or Dobbs or hell, even Bray or Crompton, and put them in Heupel's turbo-charged offensive scheme, they'd all have fat stats and huge numbers. I can only dream of what Josh Dobbs would have done in Heupel's system.
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Yeah, just look at Hooker under Fuente versus Heup. They look like totally different players. I think Milton's success is a product of Heupel's system and not his ability. I believe this is more of the floor of what the offense will produce. I would also factor in that Heupel was breaking in a new offensive coordinator. There was a similar dip in production this year as there was at UCF when he transitioned from Lebby to Golesh.
 
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DarkVolder said:
I would take several former UT QB’s over Joe and I don’t care if his stats were better.
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Several meaning typically 3, I mentioned but total of 4 because Hooker is on the list 2 times statistically better than JM, so you are agreeing with me.
 
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Voltopia said:
Statistically he does well in a comparison, no argument.

However, I also submit that Heupel's offensive-minded approach contributes to that stat line. He's had offenses ranked in the top 10 for scoring in the previous 5 years, and that's not by accident. Heupel's offense approach is light years ahead of anything we saw from Dooley, or Butch, or the Bammer.

If you took guys like Ainge or Dobbs or hell, even Bray or Crompton, and put them in Heupel's turbo-charged offensive scheme, they'd all have fat stats and huge numbers. I can only dream of what Josh Dobbs would have done in Heupel's system.
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Dobbs would go crazy in this offense, but mostly running. Bray & Ainge I'm not so sure. It ain't just plug and play in this system. A certain skillet is needed.
 
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I wish nothing but the best for Milton but he beat up on the bad teams and floundered against good competition. Most of those QBs also played in a different era. I don't think Milton was bad. I also don't think he was particularly good.
 
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Vol865 said:
I wish nothing but the best for Milton but he beat up on the bad teams and floundered against good competition. Most of those QBs also played in a different era. I don't think Milton was bad. I also don't think he was particularly good.
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Clemson was a bad team?
 
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Vol865 said:
I wish nothing but the best for Milton but he beat up on the bad teams and floundered against good competition. Most of those QBs also played in a different era. I don't think Milton was bad. I also don't think he was particularly good.
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Last years Clemson wasn’t a bad team. Get real.
 
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901 Orange said:
Dobbs would go crazy in this offense, but mostly running. Bray & Ainge I'm not so sure. It ain't just plug and play in this system. A certain skillet is needed.
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Bray would've done good in this offense with a good OL. Assuming we called the plays we did in 2022, minus the QB runs obviously.
 
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Honest Abe said:
This is how Milton compared to past UT QBs since 2004. And he still has another game remaining. As much hate as he got, he really is a great QB (statistically).

Added through 1995 just for fun.
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Talented QB? Yes, Joe is very talented. A good QB? Average at best, slow in making reads, touch/control on the ball and looks scared to death of taking a hit. He is his own worst enemy. I really wanted him to shine this year like Hooker did last year but he just don’t possess the mental capability (from my untrained eyes) to be a top tier QB.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
He was an inaccurate passer.
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I don't recall him being inaccurate. I remember him as a gunslinger in a bad offense. I kinda felt sorry for him in that they ran such a vertical offense (to take advantage of his arm) that they rarely gave him outlet options like RBs and TEs. When you're not a mobile guy, that's rough.
 
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901 Orange said:
The QB running is what opens the offense. That's how we get the numbers advantage which is why Milton using his legs was such a big deal
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You dont have to have a running QB to get numbers but I get that it gives you a +1. However, if you have a legitimate vertical and intermediate passing game, you throw the ball with 6 in the box or run an RPO (not with a QB run attached, there are many variations of an RPO). You can also use play action for aggressive defenses. We ran a spread offense quite a bit with Bray. The only difference is the WR splits. Bray had plenty of arm to make every throw and was able to fit into tight windows. Sam Bradford and Landry Jones ran a similar offense at OU. Not exactly what I would call mobile.
 
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