Joe VS Past TN QBs

#101
#101
I feel sorry for Nico and any future QB at Tennessee - you all expect perfection with many ready to pounce at any mistake made.

This comparison shows that Milton wasn't as bad as some of you want him to be.
 
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volfan102455 said:
I feel sorry for Nico and any future QB at Tennessee - you all expect perfection with many ready to pounce at any mistake made.

This comparison shows that Milton wasn't as bad as some of you want him to be.
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Stats aren’t everything. Bad, no. Average, absolutely. Great guy, no doubt.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Milton had the same problem that Tee Martin had - he followed one of the best in the sport. As such, neither will ever be good enough in the eyes of most. Milton was still good and better than many of those who have played QB in the past, but many fans will never get beyond the comparison to Hooker.

Martin overcame the comparison with Manning with the National Championship. Unfortunately for Milton that or making the SEC title game was the only way some would recognize him. Sad but true. Nico, not playing this year, saved himself from that comparison. He should tell Joe, Thank You.

From what he did for the team, Dobbs is still it for me though.
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Really? Not even in the same ball park close
 
#105
#105
Joe was solid for us. A lot better than folks want to admit. For as much as people complained about his accuracy, he completed 64% if his passes. And that's with at least a dozen or more easy drops this year (and at least 4-5 of those were walk in TDs)

IMO, the main element we were lacking on offense that we saw a lot of last year are the designed QB runs and Hooker's ability to turn a negative play into a big gain. Hooker was able to make so many amazing plays with his legs last year. While Joe has good straight line speed, but his acceleration always seemed lacking on those designed QB runs. And he has zero agility. Never, ever makes guys miss.

Regardless what your expectations were, this was always going to be a bridge year to Nico. I'm thankful we had an experienced leader like Milton to bridge the gap. He could have easily transferred out after losing his job to Hooker 2 years ago. Thanks Joe for giving your all to TN.
 
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Carp said:
Joe was solid for us. A lot better than folks want to admit. For as much as people complained about his accuracy, he completed 64% if his passes. And that's with at least a dozen or more easy drops this year (and at least 4-5 of those were walk in TDs)

IMO, the main element we were lacking on offense that we saw a lot of last year are the designed QB runs and Hooker's ability to turn a negative play into a big gain. Hooker was able to make so many amazing plays with his legs last year. While Joe has good straight line speed, but his acceleration always seemed lacking on those designed QB runs. And he has zero agility. Never, ever makes guys miss.

Regardless what your expectations were, this was always going to be a bridge year to Nico. I'm thankful we had an experienced leader like Milton to bridge the gap. He could have easily transferred out after losing his job to Hooker 2 years ago. Thanks Joe for giving your all to TN.
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I saw a few good run moves to elude. The real problem was, he wouldn’t run when he should have.
 
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This is Euphoric Recall.

I don't think the issue so many have with Joe is what he did, but what he didn't do. We're also comparing him to some of the worst QB's this program ever had and saying, "See, he's not that bad."
 
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#108
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TNStudMuffin said:
He did not have a good year. I wish he would have left and forced Huepel to find a transfer that wasn't a headcase.
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Individual stats, it was better than any individual year Tee Martin had, yet because Martin had a defense and consistent RBs that bolstered the wins, everyone gives him a break.
 
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JRich said:
I don't think the issue so many have with Joe is what he did, but what he didn't do.
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I think that's right. Frankly, I don't know how many losses he could have saved us by making more plays, but the defense clearly could have been helped if we had converted 3rd downs at something closer to 40%+ rather than 30%.
 
#110
#110
The only things that rubbed me the wrong way about Joe was at times he seemed hellbent on not running when it was there. It’s like he wanted to keep rolling out of the pocket and make a throw to someone to just to impress scouts or something.
 
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UTK said:
The only things that rubbed me the wrong way about Joe was at times he seemed hellbent on not running when it was there. It’s like he wanted to keep rolling out of the pocket and make a throw to someone to just to impress scouts or something.
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…which is crazy because that’s usually the exact opposite of what they have to coach QBs to do. His first instinct is to hold the ball and stand in the pocket.
 
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JRich said:
This is Euphoric Recall.

I don't think the issue so many have with Joe is what he did, but what he didn't do. We're also comparing him to some of the worst QB's this program ever had and saying, "See, he's not that bad."
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Neither is comparing him to one of the best and automatically saying he is one of the worst to ever play, which is what some are doing. Truth is, when compared to the cast of QB's over the last 20+ years, he isn't the best but he isn't near the bottom either.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Individual stats, it was better than any individual year Tee Martin had, yet because Martin had a defense and consistent RBs that bolstered the wins, everyone gives him a break.
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THIS! That is because he was the QB on the SEC and National Championship team. He wasn't the reason we won that year though.

Yet folks expected Milton to do it all - just like Hooker had to do.
 
#115
#115
Get out of here with those facts!!!

Nobody wants facts people just want to bitch!!

If Nico doesn’t win a Natty next year people will lose their damn minds! “ we haz 5 star we shud win”

With that said, we should have beaten UF and Mizzou…….GA and AL are just too deep right now.
 
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#116
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Joe was a good filler qb. Filled the gap between Nico and Hooker. On to next year. We’re lucky Hooker was good. Or else we would have been 8-4 last year also
 
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Cod said:
Get out of here with those facts!!!

Nobody wants facts people just want to bitch!!

If Nico doesn’t win a Natty next year people will lose their damn minds! “ we haz 5 star we shud win”

With that said, we should have beaten UF and Mizzou…….GA and AL are just too deep right now.
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We didn’t stand a chance against Missouri
 
#118
#118
Just because somebody says Milton was average, and he was just that, is not a Milton hater. absolutely a great guy and teammate, on the field results? Average as it gets.
 
#119
#119
I personally believe that the attribute which drives many Tennessee fans up a tree with respect to Joe is the fact that, physically, he has extraordinary talent, but he was never able to harness that talent consistently. All too frequently, he was indecisive in both the passing game and running the ball. Coach Heupel has said that he consistently tweaks his offense, based in large measure on what his quarterback did most effectively. This season you got the impression that Josh had a very limited playbook with which he truly felt comfortable with Milton at quarterback.

For all parties concerned, it is unfortunate that Joe did not enjoy more success at Tennessee than he actually achieved. However, as a person, teammate, mentor, and leader, you could not have asked for more than Joe Milton gave to the Big Orange. In the final analysis, that is a far more impressive legacy than statistical records.
 
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sjt18 said:
Stats aren't the problem. Go back and watch the Vandy game and there's a single play that shows a big Milton problem.

He moved around in the pocket at really an elite level on that play. He then threw deep down the sideline into double coverage resulting in 4th down. On the replay.... you can clearly see a wide open receiver on the same sideline in his field of vision that would have caught the ball for a 1st down.

Milton just leaves too many plays on the field.
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And there were multiple times this season where he could have taken off and gotten sure yardage running with the ball with green in front of him.

Just too many head scratchers with his thought process at times this year in not taking the easy play.
 
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Here is a Milton stat. TN was 8-4 this year with him as QB. TN did not win a big games under his leadership this year. A&M you say, they fired their coach before the end of the season. We were dominated by Florida, GA, Alabama and Missouri. Any team of equal or better talent Milton disappeared. Six TDs against Vandy, so what. Judge a QB by his leadership especially in the tough games. Joe had none and often wilted too instead of stepping up. Milton was a great representative for UT while he was here and Saturday's game will get him a look in the pros, but I don't think overall he was better than Crompton under Lane. Milton's physical attributes wow people so much they want him to be better than he really is. I hope he does make it in the pros even as a a clipboard hero because that can help UT recruiting.
 
#125
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volfan102455 said:
I realize that but he is the last QB to get us a National Championship. While I can agree with QB as being one of the more important roles on the team - we can have the greatest QB of all time (insert Manning here) and someone like Hendon Hooker and still not win a championship. It takes a team and a lot of luck.

I think many just want someone to blame, when we forget football is a team sport.
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I completely agree with you. It’s just like how so many Vol fans say the following, “Clausen beat UF in the swamp twice.” That’s suck a joke. Look at his stats for those games. In 2001 he passed for 168 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs. In 2003 he threw for 235 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT. Clausen didn’t beat UF twice. Vol fans need to stop with the oh this QB beat this team r this QB couldn’t beat that team.

Football is the ultimate team sport that requires 22 players and coaches to win.
 
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