John Adams

[JennVols]

I don't like his articles either. It's like reading out of a children's book....it's usually make-believe.

 

[jakez4ut]

Originally posted by Chattownsfinest@Nov 30, 2005 11:40 PM
:bad: summarize?

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I just read it on govols...it goes something like this...

He's basically calling out CPF on his recruiting skills, and how they'll have to be extra sharp as he tries to sell to recruits "we came this close (hold your fore finger an inch from your thumb) from winning a national championship this year"....(this was a consistent theme in the article) it goes on to recall several plays from each game that turned against us causing us to not be undefeated...

all of this is being done in a mock converstation with a WR recruit's mother....a recruit who is on the phone with CW from ND when CPF gets to his house, and doesn't get off the phone to talk to CPF...and is supposed to meet PC from USC later that day...it's very tounge n cheek, and formatted to paint CPF as the guy some would agree with on this site....an excuse maker. "if not for an int against FL, Int against UGA, fumbles against Bama etc....we'd be playing LSU for the SEC C this weekend, and given our strength of schedule we'd hang with USC, and definitely get in over TX"

It also alludes to the qb situation where the mock mother wants to know who the qb will be next year...to which CPF supposedly would respond, "do you know Peyton Manning? He comes to Knoxville sometime every summer, and i can promise that your son will catch a pass from him then" as for next year, he basically is mocked as saying it doesn't matter who the qb will be, we've got plenty of great ones....so don't worry about that....

And it ends with the mom saying her son can't meet with CPF right now, cause PC from USC got in early...so could CPF come back later...to which CPF would supposedly repsond..."sure, no problem". and when CPF was asked how it went, "I came this close (hold fore finger an incn from thumb) to acutally talking to him".

It was pure crap....KNX should get some folks that are actually from TN to do the work. Griff, Adams both LSU and Bama homers. :bad:

 

[Liper]

Personally, I like his articles. I don't see what all of the fuss is over. If you don't like him, don't read it.

 

[jakez4ut]

Originally posted by Liper@Dec 1, 2005 10:18 AM
Personally, I like his articles.  I don't see what all of the fuss is over.  If you don't like him, don't read it.

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i go back and forth...he is homer though. and this article was crap. he's had some in the past that i really did like, but when i read that today, i thought i was reading a post on this board!!! :biggrin2:

 

[Liper]

Like him or not, I don't get why some people want him railroaded out of town? It's sort of like, "unless he writes stuff I agree with and makes me feel better, he shouldn't be allowed to write anything."

This isn't Al Jazeera. :scare:

 

[maryvillereb2003]

Originally posted by Liper@Dec 1, 2005 9:18 AM
Personally, I like his articles.  I don't see what all of the fuss is over.  If you don't like him, don't read it.

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his articles shouldnt be in the KNS, simple as that :crazy:

 

[Liper]

Originally posted by maryvillereb2003@Dec 1, 2005 9:37 AM
his articles shouldnt be in the KNS, simple as that :crazy:

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Says who? Do you get to make that decision for all of us?

I was under the impression that he had bosses, they have bosses, and those people hire and fire based on profits of the company. If he sucks, he'll get moved out.

 

[Lexvol]

It is all about the bottom line. If there was no market for Adams, he wouldn't have a job.

Personally his editorial struck a chord with me. The article is a good opinion piece that brings up several obstacles that CPF will have to overcome to land a good recruiting class this year.

CPF is going to be visiting homes this year and saying to parents: "I know that UT seemed to be in dissarray, and that we had major discipline problems, but it is really not as bad as it looked".

Adams is making the point that this is becoming harder and harder to sell, and I can't help but agree with him.

 

[volmedic]

Well IMO John Adams did exactly what a journalist should do, he raised some eyebrows. His article has got a bunch of people steamed up and talking about it. He has raised some controversy, in other words he did his job. Up until the last few weeks CPF has sugarcoated every single short coming of the vols for his whole career, and he never placed blame on himself until just now. Adams is just paraphrasing Fulmers actions that every one of us has seen. I like CPF but we all know his ability to wear blinders, It's just now when his program has dropped to it's lowest that he is taking the fire.

 

[hohenfelsvol]

There's a difference between good writing and getting people's attention. He is using the Howard Stern approach to get readers. Some folks like, some don't. Others will read just to see how he is going to piss someone off one day to the next. Overall though, gotta say I like his writing.

 

[JennVols]

He has all of us talking about it, which is probably what he wanted, whether the response was positive or negative.

 

[hohenfelsvol]

Originally posted by JennVols@Dec 1, 2005 11:57 AM
He has all of us talking about it, which is probably what he wanted, whether the response was positive or negative.

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exactly

 

[tidwell]

Originally posted by Liper@Dec 1, 2005 8:35 AM
Like him or not, I don't get why some people want him railroaded out of town?  It's sort of like, "unless he writes stuff I agree with and makes me feel better, he shouldn't be allowed to write anything."

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Yep.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

YEAH CAPITALISM!

:bow:

 

[7IlikeOrange7]

Originally posted by Liper@Dec 1, 2005 9:35 AM
Like him or not, I don't get why some people want him railroaded out of town?  It's sort of like, "unless he writes stuff I agree with and makes me feel better, he shouldn't be allowed to write anything."

This isn't Al Jazeera. :scare:

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we want him outa here because he's an idiot. Its one thing to dissagree with someones articles but he is so far overboard. another thing he says in the article i thought was one of the biggest blows was when he is mockin fulmer and fulmer says yeah we really want your son to play wr for us and we believe he can, and then the mom goes "yeah i believe he could play WR for you and so could our younger son chuck who is in middle school, and so could our dog spike" goes something like that it was just stupid. he doesnt have to write anything i agree with but its makin a living on tryin to make someone elses life hell.

 

[VolBeef88]

Is anyone surprised at who is taking up for an idoit just because he wrote something negative about CPF and UT. Criticizing is one thing what Adams does is stupid. His article will do one thing he will like. It will make bammers and other haters of UT happy.

 

[cd12]

Turn the Page!

 

[Liper]

Originally posted by 7IlikeOrange7@Dec 1, 2005 2:50 PM
we want him outa here because he's an idiot.  Its one thing to dissagree with someones articles but he is so far overboard.  another thing he says in the article i thought was one of the biggest blows was when he is mockin fulmer and fulmer says yeah we really want your son to play wr for us and we believe he can, and then the mom goes "yeah i believe he could play WR for you and so could our younger son chuck who is in middle school, and so could our dog spike" goes something like that it was just stupid.  he doesnt have to write anything i agree with but its makin a living on tryin to make someone elses life hell.

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You are certainly welcome to WANT him "outta here." That's your perogative.

My only point is that we don't make those decisions. You seem to want to restrict his right to work and make a living under a voluntary, mutually benenficial contract between him and his employer. What you are describing is communism - or work given by government fiat.

 

[Liper]

Originally posted by VolBeef88@Dec 1, 2005 3:02 PM
Is anyone surprised at who is taking up for an idoit just because he wrote something negative about CPF and UT. Criticizing is one thing what Adams does is stupid. His article will do one thing he will like. It will make bammers and other haters of UT happy.

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I'm not sure what this post means, but why call Adams stupid?

Surely if he is that bad you could come up with some legitmate arguments against what he says and not resort to name calling. If he's terrible that should make it easy for you, yes?

 

[ruslt]

I don't care for the majority of his articles. He does have one or two out of 10 that seem to be good and accurate even though they are negative. I think people don't dislike him because he is negative. I think its more that he is overly negative and never ever positive.

 

[Liper]

As far as liking goes, Gary Lundy was the guy I couldn't stand.

I can see why some don't like Adams, but he doesn't have near the smug, politically correct, morally superior attitude that Lundy had. That guy was pitiful. Of course, I didn't want to deny his right to work where he chose to.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I tend to be of the opinion that we have the right to freedom of speech and freedom of press. Apparently, Adams generates interest (and thus, revenue) for the KNS, otherwise he wouldn't have a job. Sure, he often speaks negatively (and often HONESTLY) about the Vols, but look around our message board. Do you see a lot of positives??? It's been a crappy year, and many would argue, a subpar 5-7 years, overall.

In many ways, I think he just says what a lot of us fear and believe deep down but are too afraid to let show, lest we get run out of Tennessee by the same folks who agree with the premise of this thread.

What really strikes me as odd is that people around here can't stand Kesling and the "homerism" that exists on radio, Vol Calls, the PF show, and Sunday Sportstalk. . . . .but still bitch about the one guy who has the balls to write something inciniary toward the Vols. Explain, please???

 

[7IlikeOrange7]

Originally posted by Liper@Dec 1, 2005 3:24 PM
You are certainly welcome to WANT him "outta here."  That's your perogative.

My only point is that we don't make those decisions.  You seem to want to restrict his right to work and make a living under a voluntary, mutually benenficial contract between him and his employer.  What you are describing is communism - or work given by government fiat.

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whoa JOHN you sure are using some big words. could this possibly be you john adams? or maybe your his lover! who knows.

 

[CSpindizzy]

There is a difference between a reporter who goes out there to detail the news and write an objective article AND someone who writes a column. Typically columnists are placed in the position to write freely on any topic in the news to increase readership. They write articles that get a rise out of people. Obviously Adams is doing his job and doing it well. It kills me when people complain about how corrupt, evil, wrong, or stupid a columnist is but still reads and gripes about the articles. That person has just fallen into that writer's trap.

Like Liper says, if you don't like it don't read it. Complaining about it does nothing but guarantee their job and even some bonuses.

I'd rather read different ideas than read someone that agrees with everything I do. I don't think anyone out there would qualify for that anyway.

 

[MesoVol]

Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Dec 1, 2005 4:45 PM
There is a difference between a reporter who goes out there to detail the news and write an objective article AND someone who writes a column. Typically columnists are placed in the position to write freely on any topic in the news to increase readership. They write articles that get a rise out of people. Obviously Adams is doing his job and doing it well. It kills me when people complain about how corrupt, evil, wrong, or stupid a columnist is but still reads and gripes about the articles. That person has just fallen into that writer's trap.

Like Liper says, if you don't like it don't read it. Complaining about it does nothing but guarantee their job and even some bonuses.

I'd rather read different ideas than read someone that agrees with everything I do. I don't think anyone out there would qualify for that anyway.

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Good post. I think Adams is unfair sometimes but more times than not I like his articles. It's satire. And the roll of the media isn't to be a lapdog (nor attack dog to be fair) but a watchdog.