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First, I think John Adams is a mediocre writer. You don't stay in a small media market like Knoxville this long if you have exceptional talent. However, while the article is a little heavy handed in its humor, please explain which part doesn't wring true. Fulmer has an image problem right now. He's never been a charismatic, cutting edge type coach. Now that the program has declined, the national media has a field day portraying him as a rat and a bumbling oaf. Adams is simply writing locally what almost every national college football writer has put in print this year. We'll find out volumes about Fulmer in the next two seasons. If he's the coach you say he is, we'll get back on track and this season will be just a bad memory. Otherwise, Fulmer will be terminated and someone else will be given the responsibility of getting the program back to elite status.
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Good journalism =
1. Generates thought, interest, and discussion (this is page 4 of the topic, for example)
2. Sells newspapers
Good journalism IS NOT necessarily
1. True
2. Popular
3. Fair and unbiased
Unless Adams is writing for a textbook company or has somehow been presented as a "news" writer and not a sports editor, he can write whatever he wants.
If you don't like it, it's OK to:
1. not buy the KNS,
2. not subscribe to Govols.com, or
3. move to a country without first amendment rights.
Really. I read national mags, websites, radio and TV and don't recall the portrayal of CPF as a bumbling oaf (since it is so prevalent could you post one of these many articles). Also you say he is not electric and so forth. When it comes to recruiting he must be doing something right. So this article is dumb. Adams could talk about lack of O of bad QB or WR play and it would be completely different.
But many of you like this because it says bad things about CPF. It's alright you can admit it. Hell your posts have been and I don't want to take yours or anyone elses rights away.
And I stand by my statement that just because it is in a paper does not make it either true or good journalism. That is just the truth.
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You must not read Matt Hayes in the Sporting News, Dennis Dodd on CBSSportsline, Pat Forde on ESPN.COM, any of the New York newspapers, or the LA Times. Links to all the times these guys have ridiculed Fulmer in print would crash this board. Simply pull up the archives of these outlets and you will find voluminous amounts of unflattering portayals. This doesn't even take into account the verbal whippings Fulmer has received from the casts of shows like PTI and Around the Horn. Also, I don't think anyone could characterize Craig James and Spencer Tillman as anything but openly disdainful of Fulmer on the ABC and CBS studio shows. Fulmer's role as an informant/rat, coupled with his clapping while Rocky Top burned this season, makes him an easy target for the wiseacres in the media.
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yeah, if you remember back in the summer when Fulmer came back on Spurrier abou the, "i guess it rained that day and he couldn't play golf" comment, the media loved that...
but that's the exception, not the rule. Here's the one thing I truly do respect Fulmer for, and it is the very thing that gets him the ridicule you are all talking about....He either doesn't care one bit what others think because his priority is TN football, or he would rather spend his time focusing on this program rather than what SPencer Tilman or Pat Forde said about him...either way, just as good.
What good does it do to go back and forth with the media and other coaches if it doesn't translate in to wins on the feild?
Look at what happend to Spurrier when he made the jump to the league...did he get ripped apart or what? whole lot of good that charm and wit did him there huh?
I posted in another forum once, that the reason TN doesn't get the glitz and glamour pub that Florida, USC and others get is because of CPF personality...and that's not a bad thing...the only news usually coming out of Knoxville goes like this:
TN finished 8-3, 9-2, 10-1 AGAIN, and will be playing on New Year's Day AGAIN...no comment from CPF.
And he gets critisized for beaing aloof, boring etc....the only time we'll get pub like others have gotten over the past few years is when CPF leaves/gets fired and we're on the search for his replacement...and i am NOT advocating that at all.
Point is, with Fulmer, it is what it is. he's old southern gentile football coach. he's not going to SAY anything to paint him or this university in a bad or foolish looking light. Now that may have happend by default because of all the stuff going on in and around the program this past year or so, but it wasn't because Fulmer said something stupid or cracked a joke about another team. Plus i truly believe that Fulmer respects the SEC rivlaries and believes they should not be demeaned in any way, including making comments like others have been famous for.
I didn't ask for all of the links. Just a few will suffice.
Yes I do read all you mentioned and many others as well. If there are so many you should be able to post a coupe with no problem at all. As fare as PTI goes, they are kind of like the Simpsons. They crack on EVERYBODY!
I have heard Tillman make his comments but never James. There are also many on shows who have said very positive things about CPF.
Look the thing is this. You don't like coach. That's alright, you don't have to.
Like I said I am not surprised by the posters who hav come on here and stood up for Adams. Just the way it is.
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John Adams is not a good writer, he is very biased against the University. We gave him so much trouble at GoVols that they took him out of the public area and placed him in a pay for your comments area of the paper. IMO they need to put him in the classifieds and have him looking for a job. He sure can't write. :twocents:
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Just because someone isn't doing fluff, feelgood pieces about the University all the time doesn't make the guy anti-UT. His job as a journalist is to call it like he sees it, and that is what he is doing. Can you truly disagree with the article that everyone is in flames about?
There are times I disagree with him. There are times in the past I have gotten mad at him. But geez, we need some objectivity in this town. All of the media here is so afraid of offending the University and being cut off, it makes me sick.
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A few points:
1. Once again: "Good journalism" does NOT mean "True journalism"
2. I am NOT a John Adams fan. In fact, what he writes usually makes my skin crawl. But, you know what? I read it. Case in point: Who listens to Howard Stern? (BTW, for those who feel like he is also "bad media," he just signed a contract with Sirius and is expected to make, swallow this, $500 million over the next five (?) years.)
3. For the poster who was so proud to have run Adams off to the pay-portion of GoVols: Ummmm. I think you are missing out. What ACTUALLY happened is that the KNS realized that there was enough interest in his columns that they could get PAID by subscribers on the internet for the access to his editorials.
4. In no way, fashion, or form did I imply that I agree with what Adams wrote about Fulmer, or that I do not support Fulmer or the University. The topic of this thread simply pertains to a journalist's "right to write," and I stand by my First Amendment.
1. Once again: "Good journalism" does NOT mean "True journalism"
2. I am NOT a John Adams fan. In fact, what he writes usually makes my skin crawl. But, you know what? I read it. Case in point: Who listens to Howard Stern? (BTW, for those who feel like he is also "bad media," he just signed a contract with Sirius and is expected to make, swallow this, $500 million over the next five (?) years.)
3. For the poster who was so proud to have run Adams off to the pay-portion of GoVols: Ummmm. I think you are missing out. What ACTUALLY happened is that the KNS realized that there was enough interest in his columns that they could get PAID by subscribers on the internet for the access to his editorials.
4. In no way, fashion, or form did I imply that I agree with what Adams wrote about Fulmer, or that I do not support Fulmer or the University. The topic of this thread simply pertains to a journalist's "right to write," and I stand by my First Amendment.
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I think it's absurd that there actually IS an expectation that everything from cover to want ads in a paper is supposed to be serious, factual, credible news. There's a section call "Opinions" that is just that.....an opinion usually written as the authors own personal beliefs about a topic of the day. Many times it is their true feelings and sometimes just designed to get a rise out of people and sell papers.
Obviously Adams and others are doing a darn good job since we've got a post strictly designed for them. They get people talking, they stir up the masses and it makes people read the next article just to see what is said.
Adams could be a serious journalist. But for the article he is paid to write, it is a commentary on the issues in the news....which is UT sports.
If you don't like him don't read him. If you don't like him and trash him for junk stories but keep reading and commenting on it then you've done exactly what he and his paper want you to do.
As for those "posters who come on here and defend Adams" I am not defending his stories. I am defending his right to write anything he wants. It's freedom of the press. I cannot find a single journalist or writer I agree with every single story. i seriously doubt you can either. I think those defending Adams are doing so for the right reasons.
If you want to surround yourself with likeminded kool aid drinkers then obviously this board isn't for you.
Obviously Adams and others are doing a darn good job since we've got a post strictly designed for them. They get people talking, they stir up the masses and it makes people read the next article just to see what is said.
Adams could be a serious journalist. But for the article he is paid to write, it is a commentary on the issues in the news....which is UT sports.
If you don't like him don't read him. If you don't like him and trash him for junk stories but keep reading and commenting on it then you've done exactly what he and his paper want you to do.
As for those "posters who come on here and defend Adams" I am not defending his stories. I am defending his right to write anything he wants. It's freedom of the press. I cannot find a single journalist or writer I agree with every single story. i seriously doubt you can either. I think those defending Adams are doing so for the right reasons.
If you want to surround yourself with likeminded kool aid drinkers then obviously this board isn't for you.
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