John Calipari to KY (merged)

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the.one.the.only said:
Are you out of your freakin mind you're trying to tell me UK wouldn't have taken Derrick Rose if he wanted to go there? Congrats you've just been ignored
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I didn't say that.

I'm talking about top recruits,not just Derrick Rose but guys like Sean Banks & Darius Washington Jr coming into the program to use it as a showcasing stage for the next level but the offense then runs through them for 1 or 2 seasons and then another top recruit comes in after they leave and then the offense runs through them.

The constant turnover of their team won't be effective in the SEC where most teams build chemistry together over 2-3 years and.

Look at the teams in the Final Four:
UNC,Nova,Mich St, & UConn

Neither of these teams defer to a freshman in the lineup and they have been together for 3-4 years in each case.
 
#403
#403
RNVol said:
I didn't say that.

I'm talking about top recruits,not just Derrick Rose but guys like Sean Banks & Darius Washington Jr coming into the program to use it as a showcasing stage for the next level but the offense then runs through them for 1 or 2 seasons and then another top recruit comes in after they leave and then the offense runs through them.

The constant turnover of their team won't be effective in the SEC where most teams build chemistry together over 2-3 years and.

Look at the teams in the Final Four:
UNC,Nova,Mich St, & UConn

Neither of these teams defer to a freshman in the lineup and they have been together for 3-4 years in each case.
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How many years had the Oden/Conley/Cook Ohio State team been together when they made it to the NCAA Final? How long had Kevin Love been on campus when he led UCLA to the Final Four last year?
 
#404
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RNVol said:
I didn't say that.

I'm talking about top recruits,not just Derrick Rose but guys like Sean Banks & Darius Washington Jr coming into the program to use it as a showcasing stage for the next level but the offense then runs through them for 1 or 2 seasons and then another top recruit comes in after they leave and then the offense runs through them.

The constant turnover of their team won't be effective in the SEC where most teams build chemistry together over 2-3 years and.

Look at the teams in the Final Four:
UNC,Nova,Mich St, & UConn

Neither of these teams defer to a freshman in the lineup and they have been together for 3-4 years in each case.
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Ok last thing before I completely ignore you. Who was in the championship game last yr? And who was a freshman who left for the NBA right after? Ok. Case closed.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
You may very well be right becaue I did not follow the recruitment of their guys, but there are some reports that do state that part of Memphis' class will go to UK with Calipari. In this one, it just said that one of the prized recruits mom said they already had a deal in place to go to UK. And I had heard that Memphis news was reporting that a couple of those recruits might go.

Kentucky Reeling In Calipari - Sports News Story - WLWT Cincinnati
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What recruit leaves other than Cousins?

Dont follow the Kentucky drool of bringing in Memphis' entire 2009 recruiting class along with their own current recruits and finding the scholarships for them all by kicking non factor players off of the team.

Xavier wanted to play with his brother who is on the Memphis roster.
Nolan closed his recruitment early on which makes his choices less attractive.
Darnell & Will wouldn't make sense to leave considering each only has 2 years left of eligibility and would end up having 1 year of eligibility if they transfer before the season.
 
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RNVol said:
What recruit leaves other than Cousins?

Dont follow the Kentucky drool of bringing in Memphis' entire 2009 recruiting class along with their own current recruits and finding the scholarships for them all by kicking non factor players off of the team.

Xavier wanted to play with his brother who is on the Memphis roster.
Nolan closed his recruitment early on which makes his choices less attractive.
Darnell & Will wouldn't make sense to leave considering each only has 2 years left of eligibility and would end up having 1 year of eligibility if they transfer before the season.
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If the JUCO guys are released from their LOIs, they are eligible immediately.
 
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hatvol96 said:
How many years had the Oden/Conley/Cook Ohio State team been together when they made it to the NCAA Final?
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Look at where Ohio State has been since.
Matta tried to recreate that season with Koufos and they didn't even reach the tournament.
He tried to fix things by bringing Mullens along slowly and allow him to earn his role on the team instead of handing him the keys to the team like he did with Oden & Koufos, and Mullens still leaves after 1 year.

Kentucky wont be able to deal with the constant turnover of 1 & Done recruits that take up a scholarship for a season and then head off to the NBA whether they were effective or not.

How long had Kevin Love been on campus when he led UCLA to the Final Four last year?
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Kevin Love led UCLA to the Final Four?
They had been the previous 2 seasons without him.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
I'm not just following the Lexington drool. Memphis is reporting it as well. And common sense would tell you that Calipari is the draw to Memphis not the school itself.

One Tiger recruit could go with Calipari; Xavier Henry has no opinion yet : GoMemphisTigers : Your leading source for The University of Memphis Tigers
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Calipari isn't the draw to Memphis.

Its the idea of showcasing themselves for the NBA & having an easy road to the tournament.

Before Cal they were still able to bring in top recruiting classes,the talent level at Memphis steadily began to rise after he signed #1 recruit Dajuan Wagner after hiring his dad.

That is the point when WorldWide Wes got involved.
 
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hatvol96 said:
If the JUCO guys are released from their LOIs, they are eligible immediately.
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How is that possible?

Considering how long it took for Roburt Sallie to even become eligible to play for Memphis after dealing with his situation at Nebraska.
 
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RNVol said:
Calipari isn't the draw to Memphis.

Its the idea of showcasing themselves for the NBA & having an easy road to the tournament.

Before Cal they were still able to bring in top recruiting classes,the talent level at Memphis steadily began to rise after he signed #1 recruit Dajuan Wagner after hiring his dad.

That is the point when WorldWide Wes got involved.
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I understand. A conference USA team turns into this recruiting giant because of everything that is the great city of Memphis and WorldWide Wes but not Calipari. I think most sane people would disagree with that.
 
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the.one.the.only said:
Ok last thing before I completely ignore you. Who was in the championship game last yr? And who was a freshman who left for the NBA right after? Ok. Case closed.
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Memphis.
Derrick Rose.

If you think a Derrick Rose comes along every season your an idiot, Derrick Rose was the best PG prospect out of HS since Mike Bibby.
 
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RNVol said:
How is that possible?

Considering how long it took for Roburt Sallie to even become eligible to play for Memphis after dealing with his situation at Nebraska.
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How is that complicated? No LOI, no enrollment. No enrollment, no mandatory year to sit out.
 
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#419
kiffinator13 said:
I understand. A conference USA team turns into this recruiting giant because of everything that is the great city of Memphis and WorldWide Wes but not Calipari. I think most sane people would disagree with that.
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Of course Calipari is partially responsible.

But look back at the difference between his years at UMass & at Memphis.

Calipari built solid teams at UMass by utilizing the prep school/JC pipeline but he was unable to sway top recruits to his program, he only had 1 McDonalds All American at UMass and that was Donta Bright.

Calipari goes to Memphis and he has some average success in recruiting similar to his time at UMass and he begins to utilize his prep/JC pipeline again to bring in players.

It wasnt until he landed Dajuan Wagner in 2001(by hiring his father) when his things took off because he developed a friendship with WorldWide Wes who was the agent/mentor of Dajuan Wagner.

From then on WWWes began to help sway recruits to Memphis if they werent sure on going to the NBA from HS.Guys like Amare Stoudemire & Sean Banks commited over the following years although Amare chose the NBA after his grandmother died and then guys like Perkins,Washington,Williams & Ricky Sanchez,although Perkins & Sanchez chose the NBA at the last minute.

During this time Louisville,and others left the C-USA and Memphis' record improved and other schools that moved to the C-USA struggled to compete.

They began to get #1 seeds, players realized it was a great showcase for them and the recruiting steamrolled.

So yes I consider WWWes' involvment and the connection he built to Calipari after landing Dajuan Wagner and a cakewalk university like Memphis to why they are as good now.
 
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RNVol said:
Calipari isn't the draw to Memphis.

Its the idea of showcasing themselves for the NBA & having an easy road to the tournament.

Before Cal they were still able to bring in top recruiting classes,the talent level at Memphis steadily began to rise after he signed #1 recruit Dajuan Wagner after hiring his dad.

That is the point when WorldWide Wes got involved.
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The only proper response to your post is bull$#!%. You don't showcase too much to the NBA on a middle of the road CUSA team. Calipari IS this Memphis team. Exactly how easy was that road to the tournament for all of those stars in the decade leading up to the hiring of Calipari?
 
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RNVol said:
Of course Calipari is partially responsible.

But look back at the difference between his years at UMass & at Memphis.

Calipari built solid teams at UMass by utilizing the prep school/JC pipeline but he was unable to sway top recruits to his program, he only had 1 McDonalds All American at UMass and that was Donta Bright.

Calipari goes to Memphis and he has some average success in recruiting similar to his time at UMass and he begins to utilize his prep/JC pipeline again to bring in players.

It wasnt until he landed Dajuan Wagner in 2001(by hiring his father) when his things took off because he developed a friendship with WorldWide Wes who was the agent/mentor of Dajuan Wagner.

From then on WWWes began to help sway recruits to Memphis if they werent sure on going to the NBA from HS.Guys like Amare Stoudemire & Sean Banks commited over the following years although Amare chose the NBA after his grandmother died and then guys like Perkins,Washington,Williams & Ricky Sanchez,although Perkins & Sanchez chose the NBA at the last minute.

During this time Louisville,and others left the C-USA and Memphis' record improved and other schools that moved to the C-USA struggled to compete.

They began to get #1 seeds, players realized it was a great showcase for them and the recruiting steamrolled.

So yes I consider WWWes' involvment and the connection he built to Calipari after landing Dajuan Wagner and a cakewalk university like Memphis to why they are as good now.
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I just don't see the logic. Yes, WWWes might be a help to Memphis in recruiting. But I would still have to give props to Calipari. I think he's selling kids on that he has NBA experience, he runs an offense tailored for NBA level players to show their talents much more than just the involvement of WWWEs, and he has had success in the NCAA tournament. He is the coach, not WWWes.
 
#423
#423
RNVol said:
Of course Calipari is partially responsible.

But look back at the difference between his years at UMass & at Memphis.

Calipari built solid teams at UMass by utilizing the prep school/JC pipeline but he was unable to sway top recruits to his program, he only had 1 McDonalds All American at UMass and that was Donta Bright.

Calipari goes to Memphis and he has some average success in recruiting similar to his time at UMass and he begins to utilize his prep/JC pipeline again to bring in players.

It wasnt until he landed Dajuan Wagner in 2001(by hiring his father) when his things took off because he developed a friendship with WorldWide Wes who was the agent/mentor of Dajuan Wagner.

From then on WWWes began to help sway recruits to Memphis if they werent sure on going to the NBA from HS.Guys like Amare Stoudemire & Sean Banks commited over the following years although Amare chose the NBA after his grandmother died and then guys like Perkins,Washington,Williams & Ricky Sanchez,although Perkins & Sanchez chose the NBA at the last minute.

During this time Louisville,and others left the C-USA and Memphis' record improved and other schools that moved to the C-USA struggled to compete.

They began to get #1 seeds, players realized it was a great showcase for them and the recruiting steamrolled.

So yes I consider WWWes' involvment and the connection he built to Calipari after landing Dajuan Wagner and a cakewalk university like Memphis to why they are as good now.
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If you honestly think Memphis is going to have a bigger draw to a bb player than Lexington then I feel bad for you. Cal will easily be able to bring in top players at uk. It's his system that gets players.
 
#424
#424
RNVol said:
Of course Calipari is partially responsible.

But look back at the difference between his years at UMass & at Memphis.

Calipari built solid teams at UMass by utilizing the prep school/JC pipeline but he was unable to sway top recruits to his program, he only had 1 McDonalds All American at UMass and that was Donta Bright.

Calipari goes to Memphis and he has some average success in recruiting similar to his time at UMass and he begins to utilize his prep/JC pipeline again to bring in players.

It wasnt until he landed Dajuan Wagner in 2001(by hiring his father) when his things took off because he developed a friendship with WorldWide Wes who was the agent/mentor of Dajuan Wagner.

From then on WWWes began to help sway recruits to Memphis if they werent sure on going to the NBA from HS.Guys like Amare Stoudemire & Sean Banks commited over the following years although Amare chose the NBA after his grandmother died and then guys like Perkins,Washington,Williams & Ricky Sanchez,although Perkins & Sanchez chose the NBA at the last minute.

During this time Louisville,and others left the C-USA and Memphis' record improved and other schools that moved to the C-USA struggled to compete.

They began to get #1 seeds, players realized it was a great showcase for them and the recruiting steamrolled.

So yes I consider WWWes' involvment and the connection he built to Calipari after landing Dajuan Wagner and a cakewalk university like Memphis to why they are as good now.
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Name a single junior college transfer who was a significant contributor for Cal at UMASS.
 
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