John Pennington's gut says Petrino

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Blledingtangerine said:
Wow. Some of you guys just dont get it.
Get this...

Petrino may be an ahole, but is the BEST coach that we can get assuming Gruden doesn't come.
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At the very least we could get a Butch Jones or a Sonny Dykes. I would rather have a mid major coach who is a proven winner and is on the rise, versus Petrino who is going to have tough road ahead to get back to where he was with his damaged reputation and what that entails for attracting staff and players. I would actually have more hope that a Jones or a Dykes could recruit well and maybe even beat Saban one day, versus Petrino, who, even at his height, didn't have great recruiting classes and always got drilled by Saban.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
The Cletuses would be delirious to get Petrino. Every UT alum I know would be disgusted.
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Tell you what friend. Lets go ahead and alienate and disenfranchise all of the "Cletuses" out there. Lets lose their fan support, there ticket sales, their merchandising revenue, their concession sales, their love and loyalty.

Lets steer clear of that, because regardless of which side of this debate you are on, the "Cletuses" are just as important, possibly more important to the athletic department then the true alumni.

Should the die hard non alum fans' opinion and desires be any less considered? any less important?

I know many long time season ticket holders that did not graduate from UTK
 
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Blledingtangerine said:
Tell you what friend. Lets go ahead and alienate and disenfranchise all of the "Cletuses" out there. Lets lose their fan support, there ticket sales, their merchandising revenue, their concession sales, their love and loyalty.

Lets steer clear of that, because regardless of which side of this debate you are on, the "Cletuses" are just as important, possibly more important to the athletic department then the true alumni.

Should the die hard non alum fans' opinion and desires be any less considered? any less important?

I know many long time season ticket holders that did not graduate from UTK
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Vercingetorix said:
In all the time I've been posting on this board, the only time you see a real difference between the alumni and the sidewalk alumni is when the ethical and academic issues come up. The sidewalk alums usually don't give a crap about any of it; they want us to cut as close to the line as we can get away with. The alums are always horrified about it. That seems to be the unbridgeable gap -- as it is in this case. The Cletuses would be delirious to get Petrino. Every UT alum I know would be disgusted.
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Elitist much?
 
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tastycar said:
We will agree to disagree..agreed?:)
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Absolutely

I just think that even if you don't like the characterization , you have to at least acknowledge that the way alumni views things is slightly different from just some guy that sees Tennessee football the same way they see the Titans, Braves etc.
 
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tastycar said:
Elitist much?
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I shouldn't have repeated the other poster's term, "Cletuses." That's unfair. It was late. But I stand by the point. I have this argument on this board every time UTK fails to twist the admissions process to admit a recruit who can't do the classwork. I used to have it every time players got suspended for a bowl game because of grades. I have it every time a player gets trouble and is suspended either "way too long" or not at all. I had it for a solid half year about whether we should keep Bruce Pearl. Over and over again, fans who don't have any connection to UTK have told me that the university stuff needs to get out of the way because winning is all that matters.

Which I can understand, as I suppose it seems tantamount to worrying about how the paperwork in an NFL team's front office has been filled out. But I and other alums identify with the university so strongly that that 'paperwork' is far more important than the football to us.

Believe me, I'm not claiming any of this "true fan" nonsense. As far as I can tell it's the only difference between alums/non-alums. But it's a generalization based on a difference that absolutely exists.
 
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The only way Petrino is employed by UT is as an OC and I have better odds of winning the lottery than that happening.
 
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xXRockyTopXx said:
The only way Petrino is employed by UT is as an OC and I have better odds of winning the lottery than that happening.
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So you would be accepting of Petrino as a coordinator, but not as a head coach?

Not sure I understand why. Whats the difference? You either accept him or you dont. Coach or assistant coach.

But, you are right it will never happen.He will never again be a collegiate assistant coach. Petrino is an elite head coach, and he will make his way to an elite program whether it be his next coaching gig or the one that follows.
 
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Blledingtangerine said:
So you would be accepting of Petrino as a coordinator, but not as a head coach?

Not sure I understand why. Whats the difference? You either accept him or you dont. Coach or assistant coach.

But, you are right it will never happen.He will never again be a collegiate assistant coach. Petrino is an elite head coach, and he will make his way to an elite program whether it be his next coaching gig or the one that follows.
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LMFAO your post reeks of failure on multiple levels. :clapping:
 
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Blledingtangerine said:
So you would be accepting of Petrino as a coordinator, but not as a head coach?

Not sure I understand why. Whats the difference? You either accept him or you dont. Coach or assistant coach.

But, you are right it will never happen.He will never again be a collegiate assistant coach. Petrino is an elite head coach, and he will make his way to an elite program whether it be his next coaching gig or the one that follows.
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An OC isn't the face of your program. Your OC is not primarily responsible for turning boys into men. There is a huge difference.
 
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WesternKyVol said:
No GaVol, he's saying YOU --being a non-alum--want Petrino. Didn't misread it. You misread mine.
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Im kind of a hybrid. I'm sidewalk alumni BUT I did actually apply to and get accepted into UT. Therefore, I'm sidewalk alumni that is able to identify that Petrino is worthless.
 
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No way. After the fiasco of Phil, kiffin and Dooley there will be ZERO apparent risk in the next HC hire, and Petrino is well known as the big risk due to past ethical issues.
 
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WesternKyVol said:
No GaVol, he's saying YOU --being a non-alum--want Petrino. Didn't misread it. You misread mine.
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Yes. Any accurate generalization about a group is always true of every single member of that group. All Kenyans are great long-distance runners. All Brazilians are great soccer players. All tall people are good at basketball. All Chinese kids are good at math.
 
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GAVol said:
I'm sidewalk alumni BUT I did actually apply to and get accepted into UT. Therefore, I'm sidewalk alumni that is able to identify that Petrino is worthless.
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I spent a year in the Econ PhD program, but I found the post offensive. I know plenty of Vol fans that never sniffed college who would stop attending games if Petrino were hired.

I agree with Verc more than anyone here, but this post stank.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Yes. Any true generalization about a group is always true of every single member of that group. All Kenyans are great long-distance runners. All Brazilians are great soccer players. All tall people are good at basketball. All Chinese kids are good at math.
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Alright, poll time.
 
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WesternKyVol said:
I spent a year in the Econ PhD program, but I found the post offensive. I know plenty of Vol fans that never sniffed college who would stop attending games if Petrino were hired.

I agree with Verc more than anyone here, but this post stank.
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So you're telling me that if you took a couple thousand Vol fans and gave them a two-question survey --

1. If the University of Tennessee replaced Derek Dooley with Bobby Petrino, would you be approve or disapprove?

2. Have you ever been enrolled at the University of Tennessee?

-- that there wouldn't be any trend to the answers? That alums and non-alums would be equally disapproving of hiring him?

I've argued this stuff at length over the years. Eddrick Lofton. Tyler Smith. Bruce Pearl. Etc ad nauseum. Over and over again, that's the way the two sides of the argument have broken down. Sorry if that offends you, but that's what I've observed for years.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
So you're telling me that if you took a couple thousand Vol fans and gave them a two-question survey --

1. If the University of Tennessee replaced Derek Dooley with Bobby Petrino, would you be approve or disapprove?

2. Have you ever been enrolled at the University of Tennessee?

-- that there wouldn't be any trend to the answers? That alums and non-alums would be equally disapproving of hiring him?

I've argued this stuff at length over the years. Eddrick Lofton. Tyler Smith. Bruce Pearl. Etc ad nauseum. Over and over again, that's the way the two sides of the argument have broken down. Sorry if that offends you, but that's what I've observed for years.
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Maybe your right. I haven't noticed that. Seems like a lot of the crowd that was so pro-Kiffin were alumni. And I always thought he had a certain stench.

I have a poll up now. It will probably be closer to 100 respondents though.
 
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