#joiningtheaccwasahugemistake

#28
#28
The university flubbed when they weren't on board with keeping Jimbo around. Then, with the resources to replace with a good hire, they blew it. Maybe Norvell will be a good coach for them, but he has his work cut out for him repairing what was done and getting back on track. I can't see expecting much out of him this year, and only moderate improvement next year. The FSU admin is totally to blame for the current state of FSU football. No way Norvell was fixing that this year.
 
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GVF said:
The university flubbed when they weren't on board with keeping Jimbo around. Then, with the resources to replace with a good hire, they blew it. Maybe Norvell will be a good coach for them, but he has his work cut out for him repairing what was done and getting back on track. I can't see expecting much out of him this year, and only moderate improvement next year. The FSU admin is totally to blame for the current state of FSU football. No way Norvell was fixing that this year.
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I still can't wrap my head around why FSU's admin wouldn't just give Jimbo what he wanted. FSU is not Georgia Tech or Boston College. They are not a historical blue blood power, but Bowden built FSU into a powerful program that is capable of consistently competing for and winning championships. It isn't like investing more in facilities, recruiting budgets, etc. at a level on par with an SEC school is likely to end up being a gigantic waste of money for them, especially when your head coach has already won a national title.
 
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05_never_again said:
I still can't wrap my head around why FSU's admin wouldn't just give Jimbo what he wanted. FSU is not Georgia Tech or Boston College. They are not a historical blue blood power, but Bowden built FSU into a powerful program that is capable of consistently competing for and winning championships. It isn't like investing more in facilities, recruiting budgets, etc. at a level on par with an SEC school is likely to end up being a gigantic waste of money for them, especially when your head coach has already won a national title.
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In my 8+ years living in Florida, I have learned that asking WHY people in Florida do weird or stupid things is an exercise in futility.
 
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OldandStillaVol said:
In my 8+ years living in Florida, I have learned that asking WHY people in Florida do weird or stupid things is an exercise in futility.
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Fair point, but they do love them some football in Tallanasty. They're basically an SEC school in the ACC, kind of like Clemson. You think they'd get on board with more investment in the program.
 
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It’s not about which conference you’re in. It’s about the people you hire. FSU has more poor hires. We should know all about that.
 
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wmcovol said:
It’s not about which conference you’re in. It’s about the people you hire. FSU has more poor hires. We should know all about that.
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Yea, the subject line here is awkward. Minus the last five years, FSU owned the ACC and were a perennial powerhouse. Has nothing to do with the ACC
 
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05_never_again said:
I still can't wrap my head around why FSU's admin wouldn't just give Jimbo what he wanted. FSU is not Georgia Tech or Boston College. They are not a historical blue blood power, but Bowden built FSU into a powerful program that is capable of consistently competing for and winning championships. It isn't like investing more in facilities, recruiting budgets, etc. at a level on par with an SEC school is likely to end up being a gigantic waste of money for them, especially when your head coach has already won a national title.
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In the context of Blue Bloods, yes FSU is not in the traditional lineup. FSU as we know it (as a University itself) didn't exist until 1947. Back to 1909 it was a women's college and the white boys were required to go to Gainesville. And the blacks had a state mandated university. They had moderate success from 60-70 with Peterson. For those of us in our 50's though FSU would qualify as a blue blood honorary member under Bowden. They had staying power under him and Jimbo, and both had great runs. 42 years of major success. How they completely dismantled that football program in the blink of an eye is mind boggling. It didn't just decline. It spontaneously combusted. Like a Buddha Priest.
 
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volfanbill said:
Yea, the subject line here is awkward. Minus the last five years, FSU owned the ACC and were a perennial powerhouse. Has nothing to do with the ACC
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Yep. When FSU joined the ACC they won 9 or 10 straight ACC titles. Then they expanded again. Then Clemson started rising. Miami was a non-factor by the time they came in, and have yet to win an ACC title. They've won a total of 14 of the 28 titles since joining the ACC. Clemson kinda skews the image of that having won the last 5, but holding 50% of the league titles since joining is impressive by most standards I'm aware of.

Since FSU became eligible for the title in 1992, after joining in 1991, conference titles are:
FSU 14
Clemson 6
VT 3
UVA 1 split w/FSU
GT 1 split w/FSU, 1 vacated
WF 1
MD 1

The last 9 titles have been FSU or Clemson.
 
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05_never_again said:
I still can't wrap my head around why FSU's admin wouldn't just give Jimbo what he wanted. FSU is not Georgia Tech or Boston College. They are not a historical blue blood power, but Bowden built FSU into a powerful program that is capable of consistently competing for and winning championships. It isn't like investing more in facilities, recruiting budgets, etc. at a level on par with an SEC school is likely to end up being a gigantic waste of money for them, especially when your head coach has already won a national title.
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Because FSU is broke.
 
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wmcovol said:
It’s not about which conference you’re in. It’s about the people you hire. FSU has more poor hires. We should know all about that.
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Poor hires of coaches and administration dragging football program to bottom would not be something UT fans are familiar with, right?
 
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GVF said:
The university flubbed when they weren't on board with keeping Jimbo around.
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I think Fisher was leaving no matter what FSU's offer was. He knew the wheels were about to come off and he didn't want to be around to absorb the blame.
 
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VOL_Lyfe said:
You got a O/U on Norvell's "tenure?"
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I think most fans and certainly the administration there realize how bad things are for him to take over. I haven't heard any discontent about him, and what I have seen of their games I did not see any major coaching gaffes. Its not like they have been in a close game and inexplicably failed to go for two point conversion or something similar.

I doubt we hear any serious complaints about him for at least another 3 years. They know he has to be given some time.
 
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GVF said:
UCF definitely has a good thing going down there. they just need some cred.
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They needed to take that 2-for-1 offer UF put on the table.

After backing out of our scheduled 2007 game, they were in no position play hard ball.
 
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