Josh Heupel - winning record vs the SEC's top tier

[volbound1700]

I would include LSU in that list (and Auburn but we haven't played them).

 

[volbound1700]

He is also undefeated against Kentucky and Vanderbilt, something the other 3 numbskulls could not achieve

 

[volfanhill]

This feels appropriate here

 

[Rocky Top T]

That’s actually amazing considering what he walked into.

I agree.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Kind of dumb imho. Those Florida rosters still had more talent than Tennessee if were going by recruiting ranks

Louis Riddick commented more than once that UT-Florida was similar to NFL matchups. He's a smart, ex NFL gm

 

[D-Vols]

While Florida is a rival, I’m not giving him a ton of credit for going 2-2 against them. They’re an awful program right now. There’s still no excuse for 20

While Florida is a rival, I’m not giving him a ton of credit for going 2-2 against them. They’re an awful program right now. There’s still no excuse for 2023.

As many have said on here, no matter how bad or how good Florida is or has been over the years they have found a way to beat us or we have found way to lose to them. So I am extremely happy with our progress so far.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

While Florida is a rival, I’m not giving him a ton of credit for going 2-2 against them. They’re an awful program right now. There’s still no excuse for 2023.

So when should we count wins against Florida, when they're good? Should we check with you before we count wins?

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

I like what JP put together. And I don't believe this is something to quibble over.

But, I think if we get a mulligan because a third of our roster leaves, then Bama should get a mulligan for their roster loss since Saban's retirement. I know the two programs were in different strata of competition when the loss occurred.

Who all did Bama lose? Tennessee losing a 1/3 and Bama losing 1/3 looks quite different. Bama is still stocked on both sides of the ball.

 

[McDad]

Who all did Bama lose? Tennessee losing a 1/3 and Bama losing 1/3 looks quite different. Bama is still stocked on both sides of the ball.

understood. That's why I specifically mentioned the two programs were in different strata of competition.

 

[Volfan8282]

So when should we count wins against Florida, when they're good? Should we check with you before we count wins?

You can read my other posts.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Josh Heupel has more wins against Bama than Smart, yet he is 0-for Georgia. Let's change that in a few weeks....

 

[bpalmer28]

Might as well include LSU

 

[EZE]

We've been talking for a few years now about how we'll know Josh is for real when he starts beating the best teams in the SEC and nation.

We've defined the best as our three top rivals: Florida, Bama, and Georgia. Starting in 2024, let's add Texas and Oklahoma (even if OK is, like FL, a basket case this season).

Well, take away 2021 because Josh shouldn't be tarred with that brush--not with the mass defection of many of our best players (remember, 35 of a roster of 85--over a third--and probably mostly the best third, talent wise, left or were asked to leave with Pruitt).

So not counting 2021, Josh is now 5-4 against those top rivals. Yep, winning record against the gators, dawgs, tide, and sooners (we haven't played Texas yet).

Can we make it 6-4 here in a few weeks? Sure hope so.

Go Vols!

LSU should be on that list.

 

[EZE]

Might as well include LSU

Beat me to it.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

LSU should be on that list.

Add them and--still keeping 2021 out of it, for reasons already covered--Josh is 6-4 against the best of the SEC. Hopefully heading for 7-4 in a few weeks.

Yah!

Go Vols!

 

[EZE]

Add them and--still keeping 2021 out of it, for reasons already covered--Josh is 6-4 against the best of the SEC. Hopefully heading for 7-4 in a few weeks.

Yah!

Go Vols!

My how things have changed.

 

[05_never_again]

I think it is also worth noting that Heupel has 4 more wins over ranked opponents than Dooley, Butch, and Pruitt combined.

Those clowns went a combined 7-45 against ranked teams over 11 seasons. In 3+ seasons, Heupel has gone 11-8.

 

[ShowMeVol]

While Florida is a rival, I’m not giving him a ton of credit for going 2-2 against them. They’re an awful program right now. There’s still no excuse for 2023.

Sorry to pile on, but agree with others. This is a pretty dumb post. Over the last 20 years there’s been a lot of years we were the better team or at least even, and blew the opportunity so many times.
GB

 

[Hairy Vols]

BTW, just realized this. Josh Heupel and Kalen DeBoer were practically neighbors, growing up.

Josh raised in Aberdeen, SD (pop about 28,000). DeBoer in Milbank (pop about 3,000). Both small towns in the NE corner of the state.

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Maybe 75 miles apart, in a state without a lot of population centers.

Not only that, they're about the same age. DeBoer is a couple of years older.

So they'd have overlapped in their high school years. They might even have played against each other.

Out of all the places in the world you can be from, what are the chances we have two head coaches for two of the SEC's leading programs, both from northeastern South Dakota?

Heh.

Go Vols!

These are the posts I like. Thanks for sharing this info!

 

[EZE]

Sorry to pile on, but agree with others. This is a pretty dumb post. Over the last 20 years there’s been a lot of years we were the better team or at least even, and blew the opportunity so many times.
GB

Agree. Plus, Florida is not a bad team right now. They got off to a rough start, but are playing pretty good football right now.

 

[#1fulmerite]

So, a coach is judged by wins and losses, but because it's a Tennessee coach we have to judge on a different scale? Makes sense.

Kinda reminds me about the late 80’s through early 2000’s. Pat Dye retired and so did Vince Dooley. Ole Miss let Brewer go and LSU had Gerry Dinardo, a Vandy plant. Bama was rotating coaches and going in and out of Probation. Kentucky and Vandy were primarily basketball schools while USCe and Arkansas were trying to get their footing from ‘92 on. Auburn stole Tubberville and while he had a couple of good years including the undefeated ‘04 year, he wasn’t that great. Then you had us and a Spurrier led Florida tearing up the SEC. Other than us, and them, the SEC for the most part, was down.

So, wins over Bama back then didn’t mean as much as the ‘22 win. The ‘98 and ‘01 wins over Florida were more valuable than the last two. How many Georgia wins did we have over Jim Donnan and Ray Goff before Richt came in? IIRC, he beat us with inherited players his first year.

So, to answer your question, kinda. These wins are not the same as if we had beaten Saban more than once or Florida during the Urban years or, Auburn when the were playing for NC’s. We did beat a Les Miles LSU team once when they should have been playing for the NC.

 

[#1fulmerite]

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[Volfan8282]

Sorry to pile on, but agree with others. This is a pretty dumb post. Over the last 20 years there’s been a lot of years we were the better team or at least even, and blew the opportunity so many times.
GB

So, because Heupel did what our other horrible coaches couldn’t do, he’s the real deal? I certainly think he’s better than those guys and I think he’s done wonders for our program, but not because he’s gone 2-2 against UF in a 4 year stretch where they will have a losing record. I’ll give him credit for a whole bunch of things, but that’s a bridge too far.

 

[Halph66]

Kinda reminds me about the late 80’s through early 2000’s. Pat Dye retired and so did Vince Dooley. Ole Miss let Brewer go and LSU had Gerry Dinardo, a Vandy plant. Bama was rotating coaches and going in and out of Probation. Kentucky and Vandy were primarily basketball schools while USCe and Arkansas were trying to get their footing from ‘92 on. Auburn stole Tubberville and while he had a couple of good years including the undefeated ‘04 year, he wasn’t that great. Then you had us and a Spurrier led Florida tearing up the SEC. Other than us, and them, the SEC for the most part, was down.

So, wins over Bama back then didn’t mean as much as the ‘22 win. The ‘98 and ‘01 wins over Florida were more valuable than the last two. How many Georgia wins did we have over Jim Donnan and Ray Goff before Richt came in? IIRC, he beat us with inherited players his first year.

So, to answer your question, kinda. These wins are not the same as if we had beaten Saban more than once or Florida during the Urban years or, Auburn when the were playing for NC’s. We did beat a Les Miles LSU team once when they should have been playing for the NC.

So you’re going to look in the players faces that played those games and state that the games didn’t mean as much as other years. GTFO!

Hey Al Wilson, Eric Berry, Reggie White, Kieth Delong, Hacksaw Reynolds, Peyton Manning, Heath Shuler, Jamal Lewis, etc. your victories over Alabama mean less cause it wasn’t against Saban.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

As many have said on here, no matter how bad or how good Florida is or has been over the years they have found a way to beat us or we have found way to lose to them. So I am extremely happy with our progress so far.

And they have big time talent like everyone else.