Just read Limbaugh's comments in context

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volinbham said:
there is a link - if you are not having sex, you do not need a contraceptive. If you are taking it for other medical reasons then it's not a link.
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What do you mean by link? Cause/correlation link or? The pill is a solution for many female problems.

I'm not advocating for Georgetown to give out BC, just wondering why doing so to students that are prescribed it is considered paying for them to have sex... seems like that statement is smoke and mirrors used by the opponents to block the real issue.
 
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#28
I'm still waiting on an answer.... she knew all of this before she even went there.

Maybe she was forced to go to Georgetown?
 
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VOLatile said:
What do you mean by link? Cause/correlation link or? The pill is a solution for many female problems.

I'm not advocating for Georgetown to give out BC, just wondering why doing so to students that are prescribed it is considered paying for them to have sex... seems like that statement is smoke and mirrors used by the opponents to block the real issue.
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So her 40% argument and the financial burden argument is on behalf of the ones using it for medical purposes? Don't be naive.
 
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VOLatile said:
What do you mean by link? Cause/correlation link or? The pill is a solution for many female problems.

I'm not advocating for Georgetown to give out BC, just wondering why doing so to students that are prescribed it is considered paying for them to have sex... seems like that statement is smoke and mirrors used by the opponents to block the real issue.
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What % of women take the pill for contraception? For those women, they are taking it so they can have sex without risk of pregnancy. If they weren't having sex they wouldn't need contraception. That's the link.

I have no idea what percentage that is but it has to be significant.

Why do guys buy condoms? Sure they can be used for making balloon animals or smuggling drugs but most are bought for contraception and protection during sex. Why aren't they free?

For those women using the pill as contraception why should it be provided for free? Why should an organization that disagrees with said use be forced to provide it for free?
 
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volinbham said:
15 - 50/month with discounts a Planned Parenthood. Is this seriously about financial burden?

What % are prescribed for ovarian cysts?
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15-20% IIRC. The pill is also prescribed for endometriosis, amenorrhea and various hormone issues.

As for qualifying for the $15/month rate, you'd have to be making like $13k/year tops. This is the whole point of what Title X is for. I'm not sure whether or not college students can even qualify for Title X rates.

MG1968 said:
less than a data plan for a smart phone/month
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I hope your data plan makes you sandwiches and brings you coffee for that much money.

volinbham said:
Three grand? How the hell did she come up with that?

BTW - I'm not defending what Rush said.

So every single HC cost must be born by Georgetown for all the female students?

Do guys get free condoms and Viagra if they need it?

We are seriously getting to a point where everyone thinks they are entitled to everything.

Finally, she could have chosen a different school than Georgetown. I'm sure it has costs that others don't.
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Free condoms aren't that hard to come by, and I'd be willing to bet both the Catholic church and Georgetown will cover a Viagra prescription.

Whether or not basic medications should be covered by insurance at all is another debate entirely, the fact is that right now, coverage of anything you can't get over the counter is part of health plans. Just because she's at Georgetown doesn't mean shat -- I've had friends that got into Berkeley, Cal Tech and Johns Hopkins and were still scraping by on day to day ish.

Eighty bucks a month is a big deal to some people. And Title X is great but only goes so far (that's if the GOP doesn't manage to eliminate completely in the near future). There was a survey conducted that said one in three women have had difficulty or inability to pay for birth control at some point in their lives.

Now was all this the case with Fluke's friend? I dunno. But access to birth control is still an issue out there.
 
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#39
I'm sure Georgetown has a Planned Parenthood office in close proximity.
 
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milohimself said:
Did rape disappear?
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Seriously? We should provide free contraception for all women to take in the unlikely event that they are raped and said rape results in pregnancy?

Haven't heard that one - even Sebilius didn't trot that one out during the hearing.
 
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milohimself said:
Eighty bucks a month is a big deal to some people. And Title X is great but only goes so far (that's if the GOP doesn't manage to eliminate completely in the near future). There was a survey conducted that said one in three women have had difficulty or inability to pay for birth control at some point in their lives.
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Where are you getting $80 a month?
 
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#44
milohimself said:
Eighty bucks a month is a big deal to some people. And Title X is great but only goes so far (that's if the GOP doesn't manage to eliminate completely in the near future). There was a survey conducted that said one in three women have had difficulty or inability to pay for birth control at some point in their lives.
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if you can't afford birth control, don't have sex or deal with the consequences of your decisions, but don't expect taxpayers to bail you out when you can't keep your legs closed.
 
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#45
MG1968 said:
if you can't afford birth control, don't have sex or deal with the consequences of your decisions, but don't expect taxpayers to bail you out when you can't keep your legs closed.
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racist.......ill get yhe jump on lg
 
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#47
Last time I checked, pregnancy was 100% avoidable. Not sure why I should pay for birth control.
 
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#48
volinbham said:
Where are you getting $80 a month?
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Whoops. Typo. $70/month. $250 for initial visit and $50/month from there on.

Again, I recognize that women don't have to pay that much thanks to Title X, but that's not always the case, as I cited earlier (the firm was Hart Research), and Title X doesn't exactly receive limitless funding.

Bottom line, nearly 60% of women who use the pill do so for reasons other than solely for contraception, and 14% use them solely for health reasons.

And yes, I am playing the rape card. I personally know a number of women my age who were not sexually promiscuous and took the pill specifically for that reason.

I'm moving beyond Fluke's case here, all I'm saying is that the social costs of doing things like allowing states to outlaw birth control or eliminate Title X would be far, far greater than what we spend on it, and that access to birth control for women needs to be a high priority.
 
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