Just received a call from Senator Frists Office

[smokedog#3]

Great idea . . . break up the government and turn to a dictatorship. :wacko:

Democracy is not dead . . . unless you stop participating. Corruption only takes hold when it is allowed to.

democracy is dead. the government turned its back on what the american people wanted and nothing will happen to them in the long run. most of these losers that get elected have alot of money and are in it for the same reasons the cogress and senators are in there right now to get more money. what can you do Gavol, they hold all the cards they have all the money there really isn't anything you can do. as for being a dictatorship as long as we vote in the king i'm all for it. that way he has all the power and if we don't like him we can vote him out. not a traditional dictatorship no, but atleast he would be held responsible. our system we have in place now does not work and needs to be done away with. big buisness should not be running our country. as for obama, i believe he would do a better job than a corrupt W has done, but then again not to many people could have done worse. go ahead boys and flame away, it doesn't change the facts that these idiots are not getting the job done. look at the newspapers and polls they speak for themselves, nobody trusts our government no more. it is time for a change. :gun:

 

[GAVol]

Barack Obama has the same qualifications to be president that Cindy Sheehan does to be Secretary of Defense.

You hit that nail squarely on the head.

 

[smokedog#3]

what qualifications did the loser W have. he couldn't even control the borders of texas, his home state. thats right daddy used to be president so that qualifies him. what a joke. he couldn't even run the texas rangers. :bad:

 

[GAVol]

That's true... But personally, I still have my misgivings about the 2000 presidential election, and how politicians act in office and how powerless it seems to try and stop them. People ARE too apathetic to try and change this stuff, as a whole.

We need to do away with cable news. All of it. I think this is a HUGE part of the problem with this country. It turns politics into a giant legalized cockfight, and that encourages people to sit back and watch the fireworks instead of getting in there and doing something about these knucklehead politicians. I don't care about the whole bias issue they've got, Fox News panders to the conservatives, CNN panders to the liberals, whatever. Not the point. It's the mentality the shows these networks have give people.

I see what you're saying, but I'm just not that cynical. I think it's always been this way, but the 24 hour news cycle makes it more possible to see how the sausage is made.

 

[OldVol]

I see what you're saying, but I'm just not that cynical. I think it's always been this way, but the 24 hour news cycle makes it more possible to see how the sausage is made.

We need to hook Milo up with Cspan.

Now that's news TV.

 

[OWB]

We need to hook Milo up with Cspan.

Now that's news TV.

Milo getting a date would most certainly be news.

 

[WA_Vol]

I'm not a fan of Obama but he was a university law professor before running for office, and his parents immigrated here with only their shirts on their back. He is self made.

Cindy Sheehan has no qualifications at all, she is famous because her son died fighting in Iraq and she protests the war. Basically the media gave her 15 minutes of fame.

I have considerably more respect for what Obama has accomplished in lfe then Sheehan.

 

[GAVol]

I have considerably more respect for what Obama has accomplished in lfe then Sheehan.

I don't think anybody disputes that. I think what Hat was saying was that it was just a little absurd that Obama is even considered a contender given that he's a relative newcomer and most of his popularity is based on a single speech.

It was a good speech . . . but then again, I can give a good speech. :crazy:

 

[hatvol96]

I don't think anybody disputes that. I think what Hat was saying was that it was just a little absurd that Obama is even considered a contender given that he's a relative newcomer and most of his popularity is based on a single speech.

It was a good speech . . . but then again, I can give a good speech. :crazy:

Exactly. Obama is an articulate, intelligent voice in the political arena. However, a president candidate should have a much more extensive resume.

 

[OWB]

Exactly. Obama is an articulate, intelligent voice in the political arena. However, a president candidate should have a much more extensive resume.

That's true, Obama definitely needs to do some of these things before he runs for President.

Run for Congress and lose

Produce a Hollywood slasher B movie

Buy an oil company in Texas and not find any oil, then sell all his stock before he bankrupts it

Buy a baseball team in a deal that also took land using taxpayer money and then trade the best player

Get elected Governor using his father's help and name

Change pollution laws for power and oil companies making his state the dirtiest

Beat out Los Angeles as the most smog ridden city in America

Set the record for the most executions by an American Governor

Then become the President after losing the popular vote by 500,000 votes with the help of his fathers appointments to the Supreme Court.

 

[GAVol]

It must suck to be 0-2 against such a complete idiot.

Hats off to him for the execution record though.

 

[OWB]

It must suck to be 0-2 against such a complete idiot.

Yep, it sure does. There's just no way to beat the Supreme Court in one election and Republicans shaking flip flops angrily in the second election.

 

[GAVol]

There's just no way to beat the Supreme Court

Sure there is . . . Get one of your guys elected President a little more often.

 

[OWB]

Sure there is . . . Get one of your guys elected President a little more often.

I voted for Kerry before I voted against him. :focus:

 

[GAVol]

I voted for Kerry before I voted against him. :focus:

If only he had learned how to shut up while he was ahead.

 

[milohimself]

That's what I was thinking during the '04 election... That Bush was gift-wrapping the elections for the Democrats, and all they had to do was put up a halfway decent candidate. Instead the Democratic primaries consisted of skippy Dean and the wacky bunch. :shakehead:

 

[smokedog#3]

That's true, Obama definitely needs to do some of these things before he runs for President.

Run for Congress and lose

Produce a Hollywood slasher B movie

Buy an oil company in Texas and not find any oil, then sell all his stock before he bankrupts it

Buy a baseball team in a deal that also took land using taxpayer money and then trade the best player

Get elected Governor using his father's help and name

Change pollution laws for power and oil companies making his state the dirtiest

Beat out Los Angeles as the most smog ridden city in America

Set the record for the most executions by an American Governor

Then become the President after losing the popular vote by 500,000 votes with the help of his fathers appointments to the Supreme Court.

OWB if you get toward knoxville anytime soon PM me and i will buy you a beer, you have to be the most logical person on this board. :bow:

 

[GAVol]

Back on topic . . . I just saw Bill Frist on a Sunday morning show and I've got to say it was about as dynamic as I've ever seen him. I got the feeling that once he gives up his post as Majority Leader, we might actually see something other than vanilla Senate speak from Frist.

 

[smokedog#3]

no way GAVOL, frist is one of the most corrupt senators in washington. he just sold out on his own immigration bill. he's W's little backing buddy whatever W want frist tries to get done. i have to disagree frist is as bad or worse than W if that is possible.

 

[GAVol]

I'm not sure he's electable . . . but I really don't think Frist is selling out anyone in this immigration deal. One thing I heard him say was that he backed an amendment which failed that said that the various "amnesty" proposals would be phased in only after complete border security was established. I think Frist is handcuffed by his position a little bit and is in the same boat as Bush in that he just wants to make sure that SOMETHING is done, regardless of whether it's exactly what he wants or not.

 

[smokedog#3]

I'm not sure he's electable . . . but I really don't think Frist is selling out anyone in this immigration deal. One thing I heard him say was that he backed an amendment which failed that said that the various "amnesty" proposals would be phased in only after complete border security was established. I think Frist is handcuffed by his position a little bit and is in the same boat as Bush in that he just wants to make sure that SOMETHING is done, regardless of whether it's exactly what he wants or not.

i disagree. i think W just is trying to improve his poll numbers, nobody will convince me otherwise. frists original plan was good, out of all of them it was the best. after they altered it, the bill doesn't really mean anything except giving 20 million illegals amnesty. that is what W wanted all along anyway. bush led texas for how many years, he knew the problems and he is just now getting around to doing something about this. not a chance. the republicans can make up some ground with me if they shoot this bill down in congress though. i'll have to admit i'm back to almost split ticket again after this mess. i like alexander he has character, but frist is lacking. i still disagree about obama to, i 'll guarantee he is more qualified to be president than what W was. W never did anything except run texas into the ground and he was elected president off his dads name. obama probably doesn't have that many ties to big buisness either and he made himself unlike somebody we know. the only republican i would vote for is powell, he is a great man. he just killed himself when he went along with W, bad career move. :biggrin2:

 

[GAVol]

bush led texas for how many years, he knew the problems and he is just now getting around to doing something about this.

That's not really true. Immigration reform was slated to be brought up in 2001 or early 2002, but a certain event occurred that pushed it down the priority list.

 

[KentheOrange]

I think Al Gore is damaged goods after the way he has come across the past few years. He's looked like a nutjob just a few too many times.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck................

 

[hatvol96]

That's true, Obama definitely needs to do some of these things before he runs for President.

Run for Congress and lose

Produce a Hollywood slasher B movie

Buy an oil company in Texas and not find any oil, then sell all his stock before he bankrupts it

Buy a baseball team in a deal that also took land using taxpayer money and then trade the best player

Get elected Governor using his father's help and name

Change pollution laws for power and oil companies making his state the dirtiest

Beat out Los Angeles as the most smog ridden city in America

Set the record for the most executions by an American Governor

Then become the President after losing the popular vote by 500,000 votes with the help of his fathers appointments to the Supreme Court.

Actually, I was thinking more along these lines:

Run against and beat a credible opponent in an election that provides a test for the strength of his convictions and ideas.
Take the lead on issues of substance, not the pandering, meaningless flashpoint issues he seems focused on discussing.
Prove himself to be something other than a lapdog for Harry Reid and Hillary Clinton.
Actually show some interest in representing the people of Illinois, as opposed to spending all of his time trying to find a camera to get in front of.
Serve in a position of leadership, instead of hiding when the debate on relevant issues becomes heated.

If he does some or all of those things, then he would have the gravitas to be a legitimate candidate for president.

 

[smokedog#3]

Actually, I was thinking more along these lines:

Run against and beat a credible opponent in an election that provides a test for the strength of his convictions and ideas.
Take the lead on issues of substance, not the pandering, meaningless flashpoint issues he seems focused on discussing.
Prove himself to be something other than a lapdog for Harry Reid and Hillary Clinton.
Actually show some interest in representing the people of Illinois, as opposed to spending all of his time trying to find a camera to get in front of.
Serve in a position of leadership, instead of hiding when the debate on relevant issues becomes heated.

If he does some or all of those things, then he would have the gravitas to be a legitimate candidate for president.

if your going to run for president you don't want a heavy voting record. it will give the republicans more ammo to slander you with. :bad: like i said he's not going to get elected on daddy's name, he doesn't have one.