Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg has passed away

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BowlBrother85 said:
You are just wanting to argue for the sheer hell of it and acting really stupid.

1) Scalia's seat was vacant for over a damn year! It is obvious that RBG's seat will be filled by the end of December (that is 3 months from now!). Trump will make his choice and his nominee will be confirmed before the December recess. That is NOT speculation. That is applying sound logic and reasoning to the situation.

Determining "hypocrisy" only requires an understanding of the definition of the word. Here you go!:

HYPOCRISY: noun .... The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.

McConnell and Cruz have displayed "hypocrisy" by claiming that it was standard to (in their own words) not fill a Supreme Court seat during an election year. They insisted that the winner of the 2016 Presidential election should be the person to fill Scalia's seat. We are even closer now to a Presidential election than we were in 2016 when Scalia died. However, both McConnell and Cruz now insist that because the same party as the President is in control of the Senate - that this makes for an exception. They made no such allowances in 2016. This is hypocrisy... and you are being quite partisan, on top of being ignorant.
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Let me help you.

It was obvious Virginia as the #1 seed in the NCAA would beat UMBC (16 seed). However it is not a fact that Virginia beat UMBC. It is a fact that Virginia lost to UMBC. Predictions of future events are not facts no matter how you try to spin it. Alabama is highly likely to beat Kentucky this year but it is not a fact that Alabama beat UK in 2020.

An assessment of hypocrisy is just that; an assessment. Adding qualifiers like breathtaking are as meaningless as saying super duper. It still remains an assessment. For example the word annoying is a noun. If I say your posts are annoying am I stating a fact?
 
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volinbham said:
Let me help you.

It was obvious Virginia as the #1 seed in the NCAA would beat UMBC (16 seed). However it is not a fact that Virginia beat UMBC. It is a fact that Virginia lost to UMBC. Predictions of future events are not facts no matter how you try to spin it. Alabama is highly likely to beat Kentucky this year but it is not a fact that Alabama beat UK in 2020.

An assessment of hypocrisy is just that; an assessment. Adding qualifiers like breathtaking are as meaningless as saying super duper. It still remains an assessment. For example the word annoying is a noun. If I say your posts are annoying am I stating a fact?
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If I say your posts are stubbornly argumentative and partisan. I am stating a fact. RBG's seat will not be open as long as Scalia's was... and Mitch McConnell and Ted Cruz have both been hypocritical on the subject of filling a Supreme Court seat during a Presidential election year.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
If I say your posts are stubbornly argumentative and partisan. I am stating a fact. RBG's seat will not be open as long as Scalia's was... and Mitch McConnell and Ted Cruz have both been hypocritical on the subject of filling a Supreme Court seat during a Presidential election year.
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BowlBrother85 said:
If I say your posts are stubbornly argumentative and partisan. I am stating a fact. RBG's seat will not be open as long as Scalia's was... and Mitch McConnell and Ted Cruz have both been hypocritical on the subject of filling a Supreme Court seat during a Presidential election year.
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your first is an opinion; not a fact
your second is speculation; not a fact - predictions about what will happen in the future are not facts
your third is an opinion; not a fact
 
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evillawyer said:
Doin' the world's most deliberative body a solid.

Bye Felicia!

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And they "have the votes" before the nominee has even been announced? Hmmm.... Will they still go through with the charade of a hearing or just get right to the Senate vote? It doesn't sound like a Senate hearing would even matter.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
But wait a minute... @volinbham says that RBG's seat will be open as long as Scalia's was... and Scalia's was open for over a year. This just can't be.
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I did not say that. Your reading comprehension is atrocious. I said there's a possibility it could and until it is filled; it is not a fact that it will remain open shorter than Scalia's.
 
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Mitch has the votes. If he didn't, he wouldn't have brought up the possibility of a nominee. He's got it, it is happening, folks need to come to terms with it.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Mitch has the votes. If he didn't, he wouldn't have brought up the possibility of a nominee. He's got it, it is happening, folks need to come to terms with it.
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Fair enough... but there is no need to go through with any dog and pony show hearing. I've never heard a Senator publicly announce that his party had the votes to confirm someone as a Supreme Court Justice before the President had even announced who they are yet.
 
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volinbham said:
I did not say that. Your reading comprehension is atrocious. I said there's a possibility it could and until it is filled; it is not a fact that it will remain open shorter than Scalia's.
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But there is not a possibility that it could. You are arguing for the hell of it and it's annoying.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
But there is not a possibility that it could. You are arguing for the hell of it and it's annoying.
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Of course there's a possibility. If Biden wins but R's retain control of the Senate they could hold up a nomination or vote down a nomination until they get one they approve of or D's retake the Senate 2 years later.

Sorry that I'm pointing out that your prediction isn't a fact even though you called it one. If you want to claim things are facts then they should be facts not likelihoods.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Fair enough... but there is no need to go through with any dog and pony show hearing. I've never heard a Senator publicly announce that his party had the votes to confirm someone as a Supreme Court Justice before the President had even announced who they are yet.
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This is the modern day GOP we are talking about.
 
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volinbham said:
Of course there's a possibility. If Biden wins but R's retain control of the Senate they could hold up a nomination or vote down a nomination until they get one they approve of or D's retake the Senate 2 years later.

Sorry that I'm pointing out that your prediction isn't a fact even though you called it one. If you want to claim things are facts then they should be facts not likelihoods.
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Read what Graham said. The nominee (whoever it is) will be confirmed before the election. In his words, "they have the votes,". And I can't believe that Graham announced that they had the votes, before Trump even announced who the nominee was... it does make it seem like the identity of the nominee is of no importance at all... as long as Trump has nominated them.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Read what Graham said. The nominee (whoever it is) will be confirmed before the election. In his words, "they have the votes,". And I can't believe that Graham announced that they had the votes, before Trump even announced who the nominee was... it does make it seem like the identity of the nominee is of no importance at all... as long as Trump has nominated them.
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Until it happens, it hasn't happened.

The margin is so thin that anything could happen.

Hillary was said to have the vote. Up until the election she was predicted as a winner. It didn't happen.

It remains a prediction and not a fact.
 
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volinbham said:
Until it happens, it hasn't happened.

The margin is so thin that anything could happen.

Hillary was said to have the vote. Up until the election she was predicted as a winner. It didn't happen.

It remains a prediction and not a fact.
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It is more than a prediction if the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Lindsey Graham, is the one saying it. He has taken a tally and "has the votes". You are arguing for the hell of it.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Read what Graham said. The nominee (whoever it is) will be confirmed before the election. In his words, "they have the votes,". And I can't believe that Graham announced that they had the votes, before Trump even announced who the nominee was... it does make it seem like the identity of the nominee is of no importance at all... as long as Trump has nominated them.
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Everyone knows who the nominee is going to be.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It is more than a prediction if the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Lindsey Graham, is the one saying it. He has taken a tally and "has the votes". You are arguing for the hell of it.
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No I'm being realistic. Graham can think he has the votes but he won't know until the vote is called and tallied. Dems have all sorts of delay tactics they can employ. Conditions/situations change. We are at best right at election time before a vote could even occur. More likely, it will drag into post election time. Much can change. Even if Graham can get it out of Judicial that doesn't guarantee success at the full vote. Mitch thought he had the ACA replacement vote too until McCain defected. UVA had better odds against UMBC.

You can't admit that predictions of what might occur, even if likely are not facts.
 
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volinbham said:
No I'm being realistic. Graham can think he has the votes but he won't know until the vote is called and tallied. Dems have all sorts of delay tactics they can employ. Conditions/situations change. We are at best right at election time before a vote could even occur. More likely, it will drag into post election time. Much can change. Even if Graham can get it out of Judicial that doesn't guarantee success at the full vote. Mitch thought he had the ACA replacement vote too until McCain defected. UVA had better odds against UMBC.

You can't admit that predictions of what might occur, even if likely are not facts.
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The vote is happening, the only question at this point is who will Trump pick from the Federalist list floated to him back in 2015.
 
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