Kanye West

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EasternVol said:
Wasn't it you who brought up Operation Paperclip as an example of how Nazis have done good?
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Okay. Enlighten us on how the work of these scientists from Operation Paperclip DID NOT benefit this country for one? Because right now all you're doing is trying to find something to pearl clutch about on a Sunday afternoon.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Okay. Enlighten us on how the work of these scientists from Operation Paperclip DID NOT benefit this country for one? Because right now all you're doing is trying to find something to pearl clutch about on a Sunday afternoon.
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So it was you saying they did benefit humanity, ok. As you say they did benefit humanity then surely you can advise how they did that.
 
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EasternVol said:
So it was you saying they did benefit humanity, ok. As you say they did benefit humanity then surely you can advise how they did that.
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Go back and read post # 188 again. I mentioned Operation Paperclip which is FACT. You are simply trying to find a reason to clutch some pearls today. Nice try though.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Go back and read post # 188 again. I mentioned Operation Paperclip which is FACT. You are simply trying to find a reason to clutch some pearls today. Nice try though.
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Yes there was an Operation Paperclip. You say it benefited humanity. Please share your knowledge of how it benefited humanity, if you can. I don't see how it did.
 
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EasternVol said:
If someone says something's beneficial but refuses to say how it's beneficial, who's gaslighting?
Why don't you tell us how Operation Paperclip helped mankind?
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Dude, how many times does it have to be mentioned about NASA and the US using them to fight communists. To likely 90% of people such as yourself, those would be considered benefits to humanity.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Dude, how many times does it have to be mentioned about NASA and the US using them to fight communists. To likely 90% of people such as yourself, those would be considered benefits to humanity.
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So we got more accurate nuclear warheads and enabled Latin fascist dictators. Ok then if that's all you've got.
 
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EasternVol said:
So we got more accurate nuclear warheads and enabled Latin fascist dictators. Ok then if that's all you've got.
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While I am really enjoying watching you poke our resident Russian cheerleaders on their pro/anti Nazi moving stances it’s hard to argue we would have had the success on our space efforts in the time that we did without Von Braun. In fact I’ve read that some say we wouldn’t have gotten to the moon without him. While stepping on the moon probably in and of itself doesn’t directly impact the day to day lives of people all of technology and metallurgy discoveries supporting the moon landing efforts directly impact the lives of citizens. Rocketry is a multiuse technology it isn’t limited to weapons applications.

It’s hard to discount Von Braun’s contribution to the US rocketry technologies which are the cornerstone of our military AND civilian space programs and do support scientific research benefiting mankind (many of the 0g studies conducted on the shuttle and ISS for example). However Von Braun’s conditional morals and ethics will also always be an asterisk on his contributions also. And they should always follow his legacy too, it’s part of the whole picture.

Could we have done it all without Von Braun and his colleagues? Likely. Would it have impacted us negatively in the geopolitical situation of the time? Unknown. And that “unknown” I think is why Paperclip was allowed.

And I think I’ve argued both sides of this debate on here. Paperclip that is.

And why is this in a thread on Kanye West anyway ?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
While I am really enjoying watching you poke our resident Russian cheerleaders on their pro/anti Nazi moving stances it’s hard to argue we would have had the success on our space efforts in the time that we did without Von Braun. In fact I’ve read that some say we wouldn’t have gotten to the moon without him. While stepping on the moon probably in and of itself doesn’t directly impact the day to day lives of people all of technology and metallurgy discoveries supporting the moon landing efforts directly impact the lives of citizens. Rocketry is a multiuse technology it isn’t limited to weapons applications.

It’s hard to discount Von Braun’s contribution to the US rocketry technologies which are the cornerstone of our military AND civilian space programs and do support scientific research benefiting mankind (many of the 0g studies conducted on the shuttle and ISS for example). However Von Braun’s conditional morals and ethics will also always be an asterisk on his contributions also. And they should always follow his legacy too, it’s part of the whole picture.

Could we have done it all without Von Braun and his colleagues? Likely. Would it have impacted us negatively in the geopolitical situation of the time? Unknown. And that “unknown” I think is why Paperclip was allowed.

And I think I’ve argued both sides of this debate on here. Paperclip that is.

And why is this in a thread on Kanye West anyway ?
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Very well put. I think Paperclip did help speed development of our space program and the resultant scientific progress we reap even today, as an indirect result of why we brought them here.
 
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EasternVol said:
Very well put. I think Paperclip did help speed development of our space program and the resultant scientific progress we reap even today, as an indirect result of why we brought them here.
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Yep. Von Braun was a willing Nazi and SS member. He claimed coercion but I don’t think he proved his case. Both memberships enabled the only thing he cared about. His research. And then there’s the slave labor ding too.

Yep he was a Nazi. A willing Nazi even. But he was deemed useful and thus put on a very short leash and used by us. To Von Braun’s credit he kept his nose clean. But that gets back to him not really being a true believer just an opportunist. Still… the historical record is there and needs to be included in the whole picture.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
I fully expect him to complete his time on this planet and warp back to his mother planet before then.
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His mother disowned him. See, she was alien abducted, rendered unconscious, and implanted with a symbiotic creature. She didn't know this until it was born, and immediately disowned it, him. And here we are now, enduring a genetic clown thing who doesn't know where he's from, where he's going, who or what he is.
 
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Why was it removed to begin with? Who would want to remove it to begin with? Who has the power and influence to remove it from Apple/iTunes? Why would the #1 album in the contry be removed from any platform in America??? It makes no sense.

Kanye West & Ty Dolla $ign’s ‘Vultures 1’ Album Returns to Apple Music After Brief Removal

Vultures 1 was taken down from Apple Music on Thursday afternoon (Feb. 15) without any explanation as to why.

The project was also wiped from iTunes and scrubbed from the Apple Music charts, where the Rich The Kid and Playboi Carti-assisted “CARNIVAL” had held the No. 1 slot on the Top 100: Global chart. However, “CARNIVAL” has since been added back as a single to Apple Music and YouTube Music.
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