Kavanaugh Confirmation

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hog88 said:
Didn’t you say you were a lawyer? University of FL perhaps?

Do you really think a President would be removed from office with no investigation?
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LouderVol said:
no. how about he is advocating that the president should be removed via the methods set forth in the Constitution? you know as a Justice should.
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“Even the lesser burdens of a criminal investigation— including preparing for questioning by criminal investigators— are time-consuming and distracting. Like civil suits, criminal investigations take the President’s focus away from his or her responsibilities to the people. And a President who is concerned about an ongoing criminal investigation is almost inevitably going to do a worse job as President.” -Brett Kavanaugh, 2009

He’s saying the president should not be subject to investigation while in office.

You’ve both got it backwards: without investigation, he would never be removed.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
“Even the lesser burdens of a criminal investigation— including preparing for questioning by criminal investigators— are time-consuming and distracting. Like civil suits, criminal investigations take the President’s focus away from his or her responsibilities to the people. And a President who is concerned about an ongoing criminal investigation is almost inevitably going to do a worse job as President.” -Brett Kavanaugh, 2009

He’s saying the president should not be subject to investigation while in office.
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yeah, but he states that he can be removed from office and then face those investigations. he's not immune to it. its deferred, that's all. stop acting like Kavanaugh thinks the president can get away with murder.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
“Even the lesser burdens of a criminal investigation— including preparing for questioning by criminal investigators— are time-consuming and distracting. Like civil suits, criminal investigations take the President’s focus away from his or her responsibilities to the people. And a President who is concerned about an ongoing criminal investigation is almost inevitably going to do a worse job as President.” -Brett Kavanaugh, 2009

He’s saying the president should not be subject to investigation while in office.

You’ve both got it backwards: without investigation, he would never be removed.
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impeachment. Congress doesn't criminally investigate anyone. they don't determine guilt of crimes.
 
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LouderVol said:
yeah, but he states that he can be removed from office and then face those investigations. he's not immune to it. its deferred, that's all. stop acting like Kavanaugh thinks the president can get away with murder.
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That’s cart before the horse. As the other guy pointed out: How do you remove a president without an investigation?

That’s assuming impeachment is more than an empty threat, even with an investigation. (Spoiler: It’s an empty threat.)

That portion of the article and his views on executive power have been roundly criticized, and for good reason. I’m not alone on an island, here.

The idea that a legislative body that can’t consistently agree to fund the budget is going to be our only hope in the event of a legitimate problem is laughable.
 
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With the more than $700,000 Ford has received, I hope she will make an appointment with a good hair stylist.

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Scary. Very scary. My mom is 65..and looks both younger, and much, much prettier than her. No contest...of course, my mom has smoked for 40plus years but never drank. Maybe thats the difference..well and genetics
 
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LouderVol said:
impeachment. Congress doesn't criminally investigate anyone. they don't determine guilt of crimes.
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I get what you’re saying, but It’s not the criminal determination that he’s saying shouldn’t happen. It’s the time-consuming nature of an investigation and if we’ve learned anything congress can drag out an investigation.

Again, this all assumes that impeachment is more than an empty threat which I would confidently argue it is not.
 
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Looks like the "second front door" story is on shaky ground

Renovation Records Undercut Ford's Exit-Door Account | RealClearInvestigations

Also from interest in this article - why 2012 was important

"Ford, a registered Democrat who has marched against Trump policies, claims she’s not “political” and that Kavanaugh first “came up in counseling” in May 2012 strictly because of the door.

But something else was going on at the time, and it apparently caught Ford’s attention.

Just weeks earlier, the national media reported that GOP presidential frontrunner Mitt Romney was planning to tap Kavanaugh for the Supreme Court if he won the White House.

In a March 26, 2012, article in the The New Yorker, for example, legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin warned that Kavanaugh was on Romney’s short list. Toobin said Kavanaugh would pose a threat to the Affordable Care Act and other Obama policies. He also slammed Kavanaugh's work as a federal prosecutor during the investigation of President Clinton over the Lewinsky scandal, noting that he wrote “startling” sections of a report for Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr, including that “the President fondled and kissed her bare breasts …"

Striking an ominous tone, Toobin concluded: "If a Republican, any Republican, wins in November, his most likely first nominee to the Supreme Court will be Brett Kavanaugh."

Ford, who is liberal, seemed aware at the time that Kavanaugh was in the running."
 
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Looks like the "second front door" story is on shaky ground

Renovation Records Undercut Ford's Exit-Door Account | RealClearInvestigations

Also from interest in this article - why 2012 was important

"Ford, a registered Democrat who has marched against Trump policies, claims she’s not “political” and that Kavanaugh first “came up in counseling” in May 2012 strictly because of the door.

But something else was going on at the time, and it apparently caught Ford’s attention.

Just weeks earlier, the national media reported that GOP presidential frontrunner Mitt Romney was planning to tap Kavanaugh for the Supreme Court if he won the White House.

In a March 26, 2012, article in the The New Yorker, for example, legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin warned that Kavanaugh was on Romney’s short list. Toobin said Kavanaugh would pose a threat to the Affordable Care Act and other Obama policies. He also slammed Kavanaugh's work as a federal prosecutor during the investigation of President Clinton over the Lewinsky scandal, noting that he wrote “startling” sections of a report for Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr, including that “the President fondled and kissed her bare breasts …"

Striking an ominous tone, Toobin concluded: "If a Republican, any Republican, wins in November, his most likely first nominee to the Supreme Court will be Brett Kavanaugh."

Ford, who is liberal, seemed aware at the time that Kavanaugh was in the running."
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It is 100% a plot to get it "on record" that the reason for the extra door, bed and bath were because of a "medical need". Concocted to avoid large fines from local government for the illegal boarding in her house.
To bad a good man is being destroyed to "sell" her story.
 
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You know what’s finally good? I see an honest discussion happening pertaining to Kavanagh’s prior legal writings with zero mention of fart gags, drinking, or baseless assault allegations. THIS is what the entire dialog should have been about. Please carry on guys I’m enjoying reading both sides of it.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I don't think it's a stretch to believe they also inhabit the DOJ, FBI, and CIA.
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Considering all those organizations recruit heavily from Ivy League schools, plus the fact of 8 years of an Obama administration that did its darndest to implement their world view on all fronts... how could they NOT be ?
 
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EXCLUSIVE: 'Christine Ford threw her under the bus.' Strained 'sex assault' witness Leland Keyser is seen for the first time as close family member confirms she did NOT corroborate schoolfriend Ford's story to FBI

Christine Ford's high school friend, Leland Keyser, was 'completely blindsided' and left 'reeling' when the woman accusing Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of attempted rape named her as a corroborating witness.


Speaking exclusively to DailyMailTV a family member close to Keyser, 52, said: 'Christine didn't give her so much as a heads up - as far as I know they haven't really spoken for several years and they're certainly not close anymore.

'Leland was completely blindsided by her name being thrown into it all. The first thing she knew about it was when she woke up on Thursday morning and her name was just everywhere. It was crazy.'

Pictured here for the first time since the news Ford had named her as a witness, Keyser showed the strain of being catapulted into this political maelstrom.

The family member who asked not to be named explained: 'She's just trying to get through it and hoping for it all to die down.
'It really felt a lot like Christine was the one called to the principal's office to give an account of something and just threw her under the bus. You know, just reached for a name.'

Keyser's attorney, Howard J Walsh III, last night confirmed that his client has spoken with the FBI and that when she did so she could not corroborate Ford's account.

Instead she doubled down on the statements she has already given to the Senate Committee in which she has denied all knowledge of the supposed party, the alleged assault or of Kavanaugh, 53.

But Keyser's relative revealed the mother-of-two's shock at being named as a witness by a woman to whom she has barely spoken in recent years.

And they expressed anger at Ford's suggestion that Keyser could not recall the party because of the 'significant health challenges' she has faced in recent years.

Ford attempted to brush aside Keyser's statement telling members of the Senate Committee: 'Leland has significant health challenges, and I'm happy that she's focusing on herself and getting the health treatment that she needs, and she let me know that she needed her lawyer to take care of this for her, and she texted me right afterward with an apology and good wishes, and et cetera.

'So I'm glad that she's taking care of herself. I don't expect that P.J. and Leland would remember this evening.
'It was a very unremarkable party. It was not one of their more notorious parties, because nothing remarkable happened to them that evening. They were downstairs.'

Speaking in her defense Keyser's loved one noted: 'I think it's quite convenient that she named the person who is frankly probably the least physically capable of all of them to stand up and be subjected to questioning or give her account.'
The family member went on to explain that the 'health challenges' faced by Keyser have not impaired her memory.
But they admitted that being caught up in the Kavanaugh scandal has proved physically trying at a time when Keyser is not in good health.

MORE HERE:
Christine Ford's friend was 'blindsided' when named as a witness | Daily Mail Online
 
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Just keep in mind that the day after the hearing, Trump called Ford "a very credible witness" who provided "very compelling" testimony.
 
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