Kavanaugh Confirmation

[volinbham]

Flake trying to bring Coons over

 

[Grand Vol]

So who was it that told us there was no way this was a Democrat operative? Was that Stew?

He later recanted and gave the hypothetical "well, it'd be a great red herring if the GOP did it to drum up support" (paraphrased obviously)

That's when I reminded him of my unicorn ride into work.

 

[Ernest T. Vol]

Flake has absolutely nothing to lose and can vote No out of pure spite. I'm sure the book deal and MSNBC token Republican contributor slot will pay the bills.

I don't think he has the spine to hold out for spite or some deal. He is a disgusting jelly fish with no resolve or principles. The loudest voice in the room will sway him. He has no business being in the US Senate.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Irony?

Accused doxxer of GOP senators allegedly threatened to publish their children’s health information

 

[BeecherVol]

Flake trying to bring Coons over

 

[Boston Vol]

Flake trying to bring Coons over

Well tip of the cap for trying, but I don’t think there’s any chance in hell that happens. Would be a good thing for the country if it happened though.

 

[theFallGuy]

Protests on Capitol Hill in last-ditch bid to stop Kavanaugh being confirmed | Daily Mail Online

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Mitch wouldn't allow it to go to a vote if he didn't have the numbers. It has been a done deal since last night.
I haven't liked how this was handled by the Left since the beginning. I've said it many times in this thread, but the timing reaked of political theater. Then the entire thing turned into a shitstorm and made everybody in DC look like idiots.
I saw nothing in the hearing that showed proof of anything. The FBI investigation turned up no proof of anything.
I'm not going to trash Kavanaugh or Ford. I don't care that he drank with Squii (epic nickname imo). But without corroborated proof, time to move on and vote.
I don't have anything personal against Kavanaugh. I disagree with his conservatism and am concerned how he will rule as a Justice. And even though I didn't care for the way he conducted himself during the hearing, I haven't seen one single thing that showed he was unprofessional during his time on the bench prior.
Frankly I'm tired of the circus. Just vote and let's move on, this entire charade has done more harm than good.

I'm. Afraid the **** show is like Michel Meyers and will just continue to keep showing up.

 

[evillawyer]

That liberal rag The Economist is a no on Kavanaugh

 

[McDad]

When you run out of ammo, use your bayonet.

When it is evident you've lost commit seppuku.

 

[bamawriter]

That liberal rag The Economist is a no on Kavanaugh

So, "visible loathing" of people who have publicly accused you of heinous crimes without any legitimate proof should be a disqualifier for the bench?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Remember kids inside every silver lining there’s a dark cloud! - Al Sleet, aka George Carlin

 

[golfballs]

That liberal rag The Economist is a no on Kavanaugh

Damn. If Kavanaugh has lost a liberal British economic magazine, then surely he's lost middle America.

 

[Boston Vol]

That liberal rag The Economist is a no on Kavanaugh

Yeah how dare he be mad at people for calling him a serial rapist. He should just shut up and take it right?

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Up to over 1700 signatures now.

Opinion | The Senate Should Not Confirm Kavanaugh. Signed, 1,700+ Law Professors (and Counting).

You keep touting how many lawyers are signing said petitions, I'm not sure anyone cares. It may have significance for you EL,I could care less.
I've known scores of lawyers through my life, about 10% were good and honest who actually cared about their clients. The others were used car salesman.

 

[lawgator1]

So, "visible loathing" of people who have publicly accused you of heinous crimes without any legitimate proof should be a disqualifier for the bench?

I think it was the irrational allusion to it being a grand conspiracy orchestrated by the Clintons is what has people unnerved. That was just kind of ... weird. Eerie. Wacky. Alex Jones-ish. Breitbart. Bizarre.

I didn't really see a lot of Republicans jump up to defend it. Still haven't. I think what bothers people is that he started off with denial, which is fine, then sort of got unhinged with the partisanship, which is worrisome for a Supreme Court Justice.

It suggests that he has a side to him that is pure partisan, that he is a bit of an operative, given his history. Basically a plant by the Republicans to get good results for Republicans on things like gerrymandering, regulatory questions, state's rights (on Republican agenda items). That sort of thing.

 

[nuclearjunky]

That liberal rag The Economist is a no on Kavanaugh

I’m not a lawyer and neither are you but he responded exactly the way I wanted him to. And millions upon millions of good and decent human beings agree with me. Had he not done that then he would have shown me he doesn’t have intestinal fortitude to serve on the Supreme Court. He would be as gutless and spineless as the Dems on the Judiciary.

 

[hog88]

I think it was the irrational allusion to it being a grand conspiracy orchestrated by the Clintons is what has people unnerved. That was just kind of ... weird. Eerie. Wacky. Alex Jones-ish. Breitbart. Bizarre.

I didn't really see a lot of Republicans jump up to defend it. Still haven't. I think what bothers people is that he started off with denial, which is fine, then sort of got unhinged with the partisanship, which is worrisome for a Supreme Court Justice.

It suggests that he has a side to him that is pure partisan, that he is a bit of an operative, given his history. Basically a plant by the Republicans to get good results for Republicans on things like gerrymandering, regulatory questions, state's rights (on Republican agenda items). That sort of thing.

So he's the counter to Sotomyer?

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Damn. If Kavanaugh has lost a liberal British economic magazine, then surely he's lost middle America.

Pointing out K is mad at democrats for being inventive sneaky people who tried to run his life.... That's a shock.

 

[tumscalcium]

That rabid woman in the elevator took his balls and keeps them in her purse.

 

[bamawriter]

I think it was the irrational allusion to it being a grand conspiracy orchestrated by the Clintons is what has people unnerved. That was just kind of ... weird. Eerie. Wacky. Alex Jones-ish. Breitbart. Bizarre.

He didn't say it was orchestrated by the Clintons; he said "revenge on behalf of the Clintons": "This whole two-week effort has been a calculated and orchestrated political hit, fueled with apparent pent-up anger about President Trump and the 2016 election, fear that has been unfairly stoked about my judicial record, revenge on behalf of the Clintons and millions of dollars in money from outside left-wing opposition groups, "

 

[Grand Vol]

I think it was the irrational allusion to it being a grand conspiracy orchestrated by the Clintons is what has people unnerved. That was just kind of ... weird. Eerie. Wacky. Alex Jones-ish. Breitbart. Bizarre.

I didn't really see a lot of Republicans jump up to defend it. Still haven't. I think what bothers people is that he started off with denial, which is fine, then sort of got unhinged with the partisanship, which is worrisome for a Supreme Court Justice.

It suggests that he has a side to him that is pure partisan, that he is a bit of an operative, given his history. Basically a plant by the Republicans to get good results for Republicans on things like gerrymandering, regulatory questions, state's rights (on Republican agenda items). That sort of thing.

Probably because most Republicans agreed with him.

Here's the thing you keep avoiding. If someone accused you of being a rapist, a serial rapist even, without ANY evidence save the word of two people it allegedly happened to, you are telling me you wouldn't defend yourself?

And if those very same people kept poking at you and using those terms and digging further into your background that has EVER been done before looking for any evidence of impropriety, you wouldn't lash out eventually?

They continue asking you about the stupidest **** on the planet instead of your case history and continue to call you a drunk and a rapist, you'll just sit there and take it?

You poke the tiger's cage long enough, he's gonna get pissed and find a way out. Then he's gonna eat you. You know? You have it coming as well.

Good on Kavanaugh for lashing out at the idiocy going on. Good for him for pointing out the partisan stupidity. Someone needed to do it.

 

[Vol_Doc]

Even you can admit the GOP has been extremely adult as of late.

May not look the same, but no, they're being just as childish. It's like watching the schoolyard bully holding the smaller kid's lunch box just out of reach. There are very few actual adults in Washington, sadly.

 

[RockyTop85]

I don't have any issues with you arguing actual legal differences you have with K and basing your decision on those differences. It's a refreshing argument from a liberal.

Thanks.

I’m really not a liberal although I sometimes side with them on social issues. Libertarian would probably be most accurate if I have to be labeled. Since I’ve seen it used for Corker, McCain, and Flake, RINO would be the most accurate if one was trying to be pejorative.

In 2007, in a class action suit, Kavanaugh wrote an opinion overruling a District Court injunction against Department of Disability Services. The case was brought by a class of individuals in DDS care who had been deemed by DDS to have “always been incapable of making medical decisions.” Essentially, the government argued that DDS had the ability to force medical care on the plaintiffs without consulting them because they were incapable of understanding what was best for them. -489 F3d 376.

The case does not contain much specific explanation of the plaintiff’s condition, probably because it’s a class action and the class was defined as people who fall within the relevant statutory definition. I disagree with the premise that the government should be allowed to decide what’s best for an individual and also question the capacity of the government to decide who is capable of understanding what’s best for them.

He has also found reasonable suspicion existed to pay down a motorist based on the fact that a driver could not provide proof of ownership or the last name of the owner of a car that had never been reported missing or stolen. 510 F3d 342

He upheld (albeit apologetically), a circuit court’s decision to use conduct for which a man was acquitted to enhance the man’s sentence. 530 F3d 920

In fairness, I did not see a dissenting opinion attached to any of these, so the other two judges on his panel agreed with K on these decisions, none agreed with me.

Again to be fair, the last of those three, on its face, is probably more to his credit in two ways: 1. he recognizes that the practice is unfair and he doesn’t like it. 2. He applies the law as he interpreted it to be at that time, rather than finding a way around it. Some of my concern is that he’s just there as a fallback plan if Trump loses immunity by congressional majority.

I recall a few others where he was the dissenting opinion and I disagreed with his dissent. I didn’t take notes or anything when I looked at this back in October and those were a little more difficult to find I’ll have to look for them and we’re moving this weekend.

Also for what it’s worth, as I recall, the major liberal bitch about Gorsuch was the Hobby Lobby case. It infringed on reproductive rights, I think the argument was. Personally, I don’t have very strong opinions one way or the other about contraception or abortion, but HL is a family owned company. He was basically saying “look, the government can’t tell a family they have to do something that violates their religious beliefs” and his other opinions that received criticism were fairly consistent with that philosophy. If I’m a liberal, I broke rank on that nomination because I thought those were fair and reasonable judgments.

There are also some Kavanaugh cases involving abortion for which liberal legal academics have criticized K and have claimed that at least one of them signals his intentions to overturn Roe v. Wade because he wouldn’t allow a detained illegal immigrant to leave detention to get an abortion. You probably won’t ever see me harping on those.

 

[Grand Vol]

May not look the same, but no, they're being just as childish. It's like watching the schoolyard bully holding the smaller kid's lunch box just out of reach. There are very few actual adults in Washington, sadly.

Care to point out specifics?