Kavanaugh Confirmation

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golfballs said:
lmao
Democrats Fear the Party’s Kavanaugh Obsession Could Backfire
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Quote from the left wing rag:

“The truth is that in nationalized elections—most of which are presidential but some of which can be midterms—if the dominant issue terrain is around the cultural atmosphere, Democrats lose,” said Kenneth Baer, a former Obama administration official and founder of Crosscut Strategies, LLC. “I can not think of any election in the postwar period where Democrats have won when that was the case.”
 
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lawgator1 said:
I think it was the irrational allusion to it being a grand conspiracy orchestrated by the Clintons is what has people unnerved. That was just kind of ... weird. Eerie. Wacky. Alex Jones-ish. Breitbart. Bizarre.

I didn't really see a lot of Republicans jump up to defend it. Still haven't. I think what bothers people is that he started off with denial, which is fine, then sort of got unhinged with the partisanship, which is worrisome for a Supreme Court Justice.

It suggests that he has a side to him that is pure partisan, that he is a bit of an operative, given his history. Basically a plant by the Republicans to get good results for Republicans on things like gerrymandering, regulatory questions, state's rights (on Republican agenda items). That sort of thing.
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He was forced out of a nomination in 2004 (by Dems) and finally confirmed when he was put up again in 2006.

He has over 300 rulings since Dems screwed him then and there is no whiff of being an operative or partisan plant. The ABA's unanimous granting of highly qualified specifically noted his temperament as a strength. IOW - all the evidence goes against the notion he's too partisan and has temperament problems.
 
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Vol_Doc said:
I'm not going to make a list, but Lindsey Graham's outburst during the confirmation hearing was a good example. I know it's probably hard for you to see, as a die hard GOP guy. Being of a more independent mindset, I find most of them repugnant. The Republican party I committed to way back in high school died long ago. I'm only registered so I can vote in the primaries, and because I'm not a Democrat.
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lulz

Since when have I been a die hard GOP guy? You forget who you're talking to?

But more to the point, I'd dare say Graham was saying what a whole lot of people, Democrats and Republicans and Independents alike, were thinking. I know I was and someone needed to put a stop to what was going on.
 
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lawgator1 said:
But the nominee himself should not say that. He's not supposed to get into partisan politics, even if he thinks its an issue and even if he's right. It gives one the impression that he rule based on partisan leanings, not principles. Big difference.
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Perhaps had the Democrats asked more principle type questions rather than jumping to conclusions and calling him a rapist he might have actually been able to show them.

The man elevated himself to the SCOTUS because he finally just had enough. He reached the same point more than a few of us reached days prior.

Good. For. Him.
 
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It has been and always will be beyond me how ANYONE can support a political ideology who's basic tenant is to take from people that work hard every day at jobs that they have trained themselves for by either working up through a trade union, going to school and getting a USEFUL degree, or have just put in the years to gain the experience and give to those who do not work. Not because they are unable to work in some way, but simply because they want to party, are lazy, and want to be fruitful and multiply. Those that can't work deserve assistance in this country. However, a large number of those currently unemployed are in that situation because they simply don't care and know that their party will support them. The left has moved so far in the direction of one payer everything that I simply don't understand how anyone that has grown up in this country can support it. This whole joke of a process has been caused by this party simply trying to delay a vote in the hopes that they can impeach a rightfully elected president and load the court with more socialist/activist judges. How can anyone in their right mind support this? Are your lives so secure that you really don't care about your health or your financial independence? I'm not speaking out for the right side of the aisle, just against the left side that has moved so far left that they make JFK look like a right wing nutjob.

Trolls need not answer, you know who you are.
 
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I dont think the democrats realize how much of the moderate vote they lost with this charade. We will see in the midterms who shows out. I may be wrong because us moderates aren't that predictable.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Perhaps had the Democrats asked more principle type questions rather than jumping to conclusions and calling him a rapist he might have actually been able to show them.

The man elevated himself to the SCOTUS because he finally just had enough. He reached the same point more than a few of us reached days prior.

Good. For. Him.
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He has never shown partisanship here. He has simply defended himself. It's unfortunate that every member of a particular political party chose to politicize this hearing process to the point that any response in defense of himself appears partisan. I believe him to be about as centrist as anyone on the court. He has made no rulings otherwise. If following the Constitution isn't centrist then folks have problems.
 
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utvols88 said:
I dont think the democrats realize how much of the moderate vote they lost with this charade. We will see in the midterms who shows out. I may be wrong because us moderates aren't that predictable.
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I think the Dems lost the true moderates a while back. This play was 100% about energizing their base.
 
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bamawriter said:
So, "visible loathing" of people who have publicly accused you of heinous crimes without any legitimate proof should be a disqualifier for the bench?
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Not “ people “ a bunch of hypocritical , show boating , no matter what you say I’m not voting for you because muh Trump ..Dems .
 
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Carl Pickens said:
You do realize Graham voted in favor of Obama's nominees because he believes the president should have the authority to choose and that if the individual is qualified they shouldn't be obstructed...
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I can think of one Obama nominee he didn't vote in favor of... or vote on at all for that matter.

I am encouraged to see this defense of Graham though. In spite of his outburst, I still consider him one of the more reasonable Republicans and he has been critical of Trump when it was justified. I don't expect this newfound love for Graham to last beyond this nomination though.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I would agree with all of that and also point to the way Kavanaugh handled Sen. Klobuchar's line of questioning. He showed a temperamental side. She was asking him pertinent and reasonable questions and he became defensive and testy. He tried to pose the questions back to her when the point of the hearing was to assess his behavior - not hers. However, I don't expect for any of the Republican holdouts to vote against Kavanaugh's confirmation due to any of this. They will simply point to the lack of corroboration of Ford's accusations and say that their vote was based solely on Kavanaugh's credentials. As they do this, they will go out of their way to be respectful of Ford and of women who have been sexually assaulted. That is the smartest political maneuver for all of them and hard to argue with objectively speaking...

Now, having said that, it's possible that Flake doesn't care about politics anymore because his career in public life could be over. If that is the case, then who knows what he might do?
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Horse pucky she was like the 5th one in a round to ask about his drinking and it got old fast . Everyone of the Dems asked the same questions hoping for a different response . What’s that saying about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome ?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I think it was the irrational allusion to it being a grand conspiracy orchestrated by the Clintons is what has people unnerved. That was just kind of ... weird. Eerie. Wacky. Alex Jones-ish. Breitbart. Bizarre.

I didn't really see a lot of Republicans jump up to defend it. Still haven't. I think what bothers people is that he started off with denial, which is fine, then sort of got unhinged with the partisanship, which is worrisome for a Supreme Court Justice.

It suggests that he has a side to him that is pure partisan, that he is a bit of an operative, given his history. Basically a plant by the Republicans to get good results for Republicans on things like gerrymandering, regulatory questions, state's rights (on Republican agenda items). That sort of thing.
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I've only watched it once. Can you point out where he mentioned the Clinton's? Or was he pointing out the fact that it was all the Dems that were pushing this narrative?

Seems the Dems made it partisan and he pointed it out.

Thanks
 
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0nelilreb said:
Horse pucky she was like the 5th one in a round to ask about his drinking and it got old fast . Everyone of the Dems asked the same questions hoping for a different response . What’s that saying about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome ?
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He is a nominee for our highest court and should have been able to handle it without losing his composure.
 
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Boston Vol said:
You see Senator Flake, this is how you handle political activists screaming at you as you’re getting on an elevator:

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love her face at the end.

and

How dare you talk to women like that

and

"don't you wave your hand at me - I wave my hand at you". LOL - who the hell do these people think they are.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
He is a nominee for our highest court and should have been able to handle it without losing his composure.
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LOL - wouldn't you think Senators should be able to handle a hearing without being complete a-holes? I do but they show every damn time they cannot.

This holier than though "temperament" ploy is absurd.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I've only watched it once. Can you point out where he mentioned the Clinton's? Or read he pointing out the fact that it was all three Dems that were bashing him on it?

Seems the Dems made it partisan and her pointed it out.

Thanks
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He did mention the Clintons.

What LG fails to acknowledge is Hillary's PAC led the charge in the early hours of the Kava-no stuff.
 
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