Kavanaugh Confirmation

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FLVOL_79 said:
She does have a history of lying though..

I dont think she wasnt assaulted but I am willing to bet mediocre money it happened when she went to UNC. She is old, she is loaded up on mood altering drugs, her mind has created a fantastic story filled with more holes than a block of Swiss cheese. Her deranged activism led her to concoct a story and choose a prominent Republican that she actually "knew" to be her scapegoat.

OR...she said that stuff in marriage therapy to piss her husband off and it snowballed.
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Don't forget, they scrubbed all her social media to hide something, what was she hiding?
 
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So does this thread go to the back pages after the nomination Friday? What thread bumps back to the top? Russia? Mueller "flipping people"? Trumps taxes? Stormy Daniels (isnt her Attorney been outed as a fraud?) Devos killing gay kids? "Climate change"?

You know the libtards have really left the black lives matter and occupy wall street movements behind. This is what happens when you raise idiots on ritalin.
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Yuge...

REPORT: Dr. Ford's Friend Leland Keyser Allegedly Felt Pressured by Ford Allies to Change Her Statement

From the WSJ:

On Thursday, a day after sending to the White House the report on its investigation into the allegations against Judge Kavanaugh, the FBI sent the White House and Senate an additional package of information that included text messages from Ms. McLean to Ms. Keyser, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Ms. McLean’s lawyer, David Laufman, said in a statement: “Any notion or claim that Ms. McLean pressured Leland Keyser to alter Ms. Keyser’s account of what she recalled concerning the alleged incident between Dr. Ford and Brett Kavanaugh is absolutely false.”

Ms. Keyser’s lawyer on Sept. 23 said in a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee that she had no recollection of attending a party with Judge Kavanaugh, whom she said she didn’t know. That same day, however, she told the Washington Post that she believed Dr. Ford. On Sept. 29, two days after Dr. Ford and the judge testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Ms. Keyser’s attorney sent a letter to the panel saying his client wasn’t refuting Dr. Ford’s account and that she believed it but couldn’t corroborate it.

A person close to the former classmates said it was her understanding that mutual friends of Dr. Ford and Ms. Keyser, including Ms. McLean, had contacted Ms. Keyser after her initial statement to warn her that her statement was being used by Republicans to rebut the allegation against Judge Kavanaugh. The friends told Ms. Keyser that if she had intended to say she didn’t remember the party—not that it had never happened—that she should clarify her statement, the person said, adding that the friends hadn’t “pressured” Ms. Keyser.
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JCP201 said:
She told her therapist about an assault in 2012 when she was 15. Unless they come up with the fact that she constantly tells lies, I can't over look it. Yes, politics are involved in this on both sides-- Democrats use her to stall for midterms and Republicans want to rush it through, even though they could make a much better conservative choice considering the questions concerning Kavanaugh.
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She couldn't fly either......and she put in another front door because she was scared, never coached anyone how to take a polygraph, took a "really long" polygraph herself that had 2 questions, didn't know if she was being filmed, etc.
 
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1972 Grad said:
She couldn't fly either......and she put in another front door because she was scared, never coached anyone how to take a polygraph, took a "really long" polygraph herself that had 2 questions, didn't know if she was being filmed, etc.
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I think the most telling (and the one the media ignores) is when she said she didn't know the Senate had offered to come to California for her testimony. Or "wasn't clear" on the offer.

Busted for lying on national TV. Any media outlet go after that one?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
The difference is there us more than just lack of evidence that it didn't happen, there is exculpatory evidence that it didn't happen. It takes a much greater leap of faith to believe it happened than it does to believe it didn't. Her best friend whom she said was there said it didn't happen. Even if you give her the benefit if the doubt prior to all the evidence coming out, there isn't anything but her questionable, conflicting, partial story left.

I get the partisanship of all this but it seems the liberals are reaching and if if you look at the motivation behind it, it's pathetic.
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Oh, I said I agree. I was really referring to the mindset when the accusation first broke and how that set the tone for folks on both sides. Some on the right were quick to dismiss, while some on the left were quick to accept. That was just with initial accusation. The way confirmation bias works is you'll tend to view the situation relative to your established narrative. If you start out on one side, it's harder for you to see the evidence for what it is. Then, you get the pot-stirrers continuing to push a faulty narrative. Both sides do it. Honestly, most of us suffer from confirmation bias, at least in some situations. I think the #metoo movement really gave more credence to Ford's accusations than they would have gotten.
 
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evillawyer said:
Per Axios, Republicans are not sure they have the votes yet

GOP nervous ahead of Kavanaugh vote: “We don’t have 50 right now”
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InVOLuntary said:
The difference is there us more than just lack of evidence that it didn't happen, there is exculpatory evidence that it didn't happen. It takes a much greater leap of faith to believe it happened than it does to believe it didn't. Her best friend whom she said was there said it didn't happen. Even if you give her the benefit if the doubt prior to all the evidence coming out, there isn't anything but her questionable, conflicting, partial story left.

I get the partisanship of all this but it seems the liberals are reaching and if if you look at the motivation behind it, it's pathetic.
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The question I have really been wanting to ask some folks who believe her is pretty simple:

Why do you believe her? If this was some random person who came to you with this accusation and you independently dug into it and found the same evidence as you found in this would you still believe her? If so why?

The sad realization that I have seen either from comments from some on here or comments on FB posts is that either they believe her because a.) she is a woman b.) she is a college professor c.) she in some minds has no reason to lie d.) all of the above.

Any time something like this happens I try my hardest to look at all sides and give the benefit of the doubt to both sides. Both sides are going to have their far leaning crazies (which get the most press by the way) and some have folks who are just going to blindly go along with whatever side their party has decided to go with.

One thing I do find funny is how morals of each side get flipped in these situations. Let's take the Democratic side for example. Many (even outside of the far leaning crazies) hate trump because he is a sexist, elitist, misogynist, racist, and anything else that ends in "ist". Yet if you polled these folks and asked them why they believe Dr. Ford? We believe her because she is a woman who is a college professor and she wouldn't lie. Is this not a sexist and elitist response? Should we believe people and give them instant credibility solely based off of their sex and title? Is this not the type of thinking what folks on the left are fighting to eradicate? If you don't like Trump because of all the "ists" and are thinking this may you may just not like yourself.

The same goes for Republicans. If the shoe was on the other foot there would be several who would dive into the same thinking but from what I have seen a larger majority of Republicans will not jump ship on their morals just to toe the party line. This has been apparent in their comments about the current situation. All have said that if indeed this did happen to Dr. Ford that it is terrible and all claims of Sexual Assault have to be taken seriously. Which I believe they did take it seriously in this case and if the allegations had more clout I believe that the majority wouldn't have been as hard stanced as they have.

If you are purely one sided in any of this you have to really take a step back and check your party affiliation at the door. If not your true morality will come out and it may show that you truly have no morals at all.
 
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Oh, I said I agree. I was really referring to the mindset when the accusation first broke and how that set the tone for folks on both sides. Some on the right were quick to dismiss, while some on the left were quick to accept. That was just with initial accusation. The way confirmation bias works is you'll tend to view the situation relative to your established narrative. If you start out on one side, it's harder for you to see the evidence for what it is. Then, you get the pot-stirrers continuing to push a faulty narrative. Both sides do it. Honestly, most of us suffer from confirmation bias, at least in some situations. I think the #metoo movement really gave more credence to Ford's accusations than they would have gotten.
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Well can you not understand the cynicism that those on the right might have? I mean this isn't the first time the left has pulled a stunt like this. What's sad about this is this behavior only has negative consequences and causes people to doubt every sexual assault allegations., whether they are legitimate or not. Other legitimate victims are the ones that pay the price for stuff like this.
 
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Smokey'sHandler said:
The question I have really been wanting to ask some folks who believe her is pretty simple:

Why do you believe her? If this was some random person who came to you with this accusation and you independently dug into it and found the same evidence as you found in this would you still believe her? If so why?

The sad realization that I have seen either from comments from some on here or comments on FB posts is that either they believe her because a.) she is a woman b.) she is a college professor c.) she in some minds has no reason to lie d.) all of the above.

Any time something like this happens I try my hardest to look at all sides and give the benefit of the doubt to both sides. Both sides are going to have their far leaning crazies (which get the most press by the way) and some have folks who are just going to blindly go along with whatever side their party has decided to go with.

One thing I do find funny is how morals of each side get flipped in these situations. Let's take the Democratic side for example. Many (even outside of the far leaning crazies) hate trump because he is a sexist, elitist, misogynist, racist, and anything else that ends in "ist". Yet if you polled these folks and asked them why they believe Dr. Ford? We believe her because she is a woman who is a college professor and she wouldn't lie. Is this not a sexist and elitist response? Should we believe people and give them instant credibility solely based off of their sex and title? Is this not the type of thinking what folks on the left are fighting to eradicate? If you don't like Trump because of all the "ists" and are thinking this may you may just not like yourself.

The same goes for Republicans. If the shoe was on the other foot there would be several who would dive into the same thinking but from what I have seen a larger majority of Republicans will not jump ship on their morals just to toe the party line. This has been apparent in their comments about the current situation. All have said that if indeed this did happen to Dr. Ford that it is terrible and all claims of Sexual Assault have to be taken seriously. Which I believe they did take it seriously in this case and if the allegations had more clout I believe that the majority wouldn't have been as hard stanced as they have.

If you are purely one sided in any of this you have to really take a step back and check your party affiliation at the door. If not your true morality will come out and it may show that you truly have no morals at all.
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I would like to see a list of all the medications that she takes or has taken. I think she's f***** in the head.
 
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What cracks me up (and like Nostradamus, we knew it would happen) is the Democrats saying the FBI probe wasn't "detailed enough" and the media reporting a whole lot of people with supposed knowledge "reached out" to the FBI but never heard back.

They interviewed the ones with first hand knowledge. Which is what they are supposed to do. If they reached out to every crackpot with supposed "information" we'd be at this for months or longer. Especially when it ends up with testimony like "well, I heard from a friend they saw Kavanaugh puking his guts out and using a swear word in public!"

Of course, this gives the Senate Democrats cover to hide behind since the process wasn't "fair." Not that they needed an excuse as it were. I wish they'd just be truthful in saying "look, we're opposing him because Trump nominated him and we believe he won't legislate from the bench on liberal ideals." Because when broken down into brass tacks, that's exactly what is going on here.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I would like to see a list of all the medications that she takes or has taken. I think she's f***** in the head.
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I would like to see the list of meds all the congressmen and women are on and disqualify from office anyone taking any mood enhancers or any meds that has a side effect warning of “ do not operate heavy machinery while taking “ on the bottle . That should solve most of our problems and without even having to have term limits . lol
 
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