Kellie Harper discussion/debate thread [merged]

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JohnTN said:
I take exception to John Adams article today comparing Holly's first four years to Kellie's first four. Holly started with an excellent roster whereas Kellie had to start with what Holly left her. I would compare Holly's last four years to Kellie's followup four years.

Looking at all games her last four years Holly was 86-47, Kellie is at this point 83-37 with chance to add a couple more wins. And this is with the very tough out of conference schedule this year.

Looking only at SEC games, Holly was 36-28, Kellie is 42-18 with chance to add a couple more games. How could you not see this as improvement?

The coaching change was made because the program was going down hill. Kellie has reversed the trend I would say. Holly's first three years were very good. The last four were not. I think Kellie's record shows a positive trend and does not deserve to be labelled mediocrity.
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Sure Holly started with a roster she helped recruit as Summitt was fading away. Can’t deny what she did following the legacy of the legend in her first few years. She was coaching the final two years of Pats career so to say the first 4 although is truthful is leaving out what she accomplished while Pat was a shell of herself on the bench. Holly left Jordan and Key, two pretty good anchors to set a foundation for your future. Now their time is almost gone and not much to show. All Kellie had to do was better than Holly and currently we are wondering if a Preseason Top 5 team is going to be a 4 or 5 seed and can they make it to the SS.

So based on what you said about Holly, should a change be made?Kellie has a chance for more wins, but also has a chance for two more losses.

* For comparison purposes, both were fired from their first P5 heading jobs. Would be easier to compare NC State first 4 and Holly’s first 4 at Tennessee
 
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JohnTN said:
I take exception to John Adams article today comparing Holly's first four years to Kellie's first four. Holly started with an excellent roster whereas Kellie had to start with what Holly left her. I would compare Holly's last four years to Kellie's followup four years.

Looking at all games her last four years Holly was 86-47, Kellie is at this point 83-37 with chance to add a couple more wins. And this is with the very tough out of conference schedule this year.

Looking only at SEC games, Holly was 36-28, Kellie is 42-18 with chance to add a couple more games. How could you not see this as improvement?

The coaching change was made because the program was going down hill. Kellie has reversed the trend I would say. Holly's first three years were very good. The last four were not. I think Kellie's record shows a positive trend and does not deserve to be labelled mediocrity.
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Excellent, post more.

Kellie did this against big obstacles. First year, her hiring was late in the recruiting cycle, second year, saw Covid recruiting restrictions which included no face to face or campus visits, third year, lost four players to injury, two at the beginning of the season, Marta for the season and Rae (our top player) for half the season, then our backup post, Green, and Horston had season ending injuries, yet still we managed to get to the Sweet Sixteen, a really impressive Coaching achievement.

This year, all expectations of preseason rankings included having our 6’7 Senior Center blocker extraordinaire playing, but she is out for the season, and many are ignoring that. We now have two players playing post, neither of whom got much playing time as Freshmen, and they have each improved greatly, enough to really help the team going into the tournaments.

Even against all these obstacles, our team continues to improve.
 
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Volfaninfl2 said:
Excellent, post more.

Kellie did this against big obstacles. First year, her hiring was late in the recruiting cycle, second year, saw Covid recruiting restrictions which included no face to face or campus visits, third year, lost four players to injury, two at the beginning of the season, Marta for the season and Rae (our top player) for half the season, then our backup post, Green, and Horston had season ending injuries, yet still we managed to get to the Sweet Sixteen, a really impressive Coaching achievement.

This year, all expectations of preseason rankings included having our 6’7 Senior Center blocker extraordinaire playing, but she is out for the season, and many are ignoring that. We now have two players playing post, neither of whom got much playing time as Freshmen, and they have each improved greatly, enough to really help the team going into the tournaments.

Even against all these obstacles, our team continues to improve.
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All those early obstacles could have been avoided had she had a reputation on the circuit as being an elite recruiter. She’s getting treated as if she didn’t previous experience or those making excuses just not wanting to acknowledge it.
 
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glv98 said:
Have to hand it to you guys, you are riding high. Couldn't have dreamed of the big goose egg against top teams and a whole season unranked could you? Enjoy the moment, it's part of the fan board fun.
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Speaking for myself, Kellie is coming back another season so I don't know why you think I would be riding high. They're making the same mistake they did with Holly... keeping her too long, which will just make it that much more difficult for the next coach.

I guess we need to wait until the bottom completely falls out next season, which as it stands now will be much worse than any teams Holly had...
 
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JohnTN said:
I take exception to John Adams article today comparing Holly's first four years to Kellie's first four. Holly started with an excellent roster whereas Kellie had to start with what Holly left her.
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Yes, she was burdened with a roster of five high school All-Americans with more talent than she had ever coached in her life. Life is tough...
 
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Darth_Vol said:
Speaking for myself, Kellie is coming back another season so I don't know why you think I would be riding high. They're making the same mistake they did with Holly... keeping her too long, which will just make it that much more difficult for the next coach.

I guess we need to wait until the bottom completely falls out next season, which as it stands now will be much worse than any teams Holly had...
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LOL c'mon now. You seriously trying to say you won't enjoy the ride to the bottom next year? A whole new season to say "I knew it all along!"
 
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glv98 said:
LOL c'mon now. You seriously trying to say you won't enjoy the ride to the bottom next year? A whole new season to say "I knew it all along!"
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But what if Olivia Miles, Caitlyn Clark, Azzi Fudd, Cameron Brink, and Mackenzie Holmes all decide to transfer to Tennessee...hmmmmmmmm???????
 
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willinhf said:
Unpopular view:

Women: 13-3 in the SEC and a 3 seed in the SEC tournament. 21-10 final record

Men: currently 10-6 in the SEC and 1 game up for the 4th seed. 21-8 currently overall record.

Mile high view: Women in as good a place as Men if not better in my opinion....
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The women are currently projected as a 7 seed in the NCAAT. (Edit: I see he moved them up to a 5.) I guess they could move up a spot if they have a good conference tournament.

The men are currently a 3 seed and solidly there with a win this week. The men have 3 top 10 wins. They are currently in a better spot, and I don’t see how it’s really debatable.
 
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glv98 said:
LOL c'mon now. You seriously trying to say you won't enjoy the ride to the bottom next year? A whole new season to say "I knew it all along!"
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To quote Alfred the Butler, "Some men just want to see the world burn!". I can actually respect that orientation but I just don't get the fake fandom that it hides behind..
 
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Majors said:
Men won the SEC last year and knocked off the #1 team this year. Not disagreeing on the record, but I would say the men have more to hang their hat on currently as far as being in a good place.
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The Tennessee men's program ended a 43 year SEC Championship drought last season in what had to be a great moment for Barnes from a personal standpoint.
 
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VolGee4 said:
The women are currently projected as a 7 seed in the NCAAT. (Edit: I see he moved them up to a 5.) I guess they could move up a spot if they have a good conference tournament.

The men are currently a 3 seed and solidly there with a win this week. The men have 3 top 10 wins. They are currently in a better spot, and I don’t see how it’s really debatable.
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Like I said--unpopular opinion.

And I'll wait to see where the men end up on the brackets.

Both underperformed from preseason predictions.

Men have better wins--yes....but they also have some unfathomable losses on their record as well...

IDK, but we will see in the SEC tourneys as well as the NCAAT how each team performs...but to me, it is a reasonable discussion to compare both seasons.
 
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Majors said:
Men won the SEC last year and knocked off the #1 team this year. Not disagreeing on the record, but I would say the men have more to hang their hat on currently as far as being in a good place.
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Not discussing last year...Men way outperformed last year. Could they do it again? Yes....and if they do that then my comparison is null and void...heck, win one game in the SECT and it is null and void....but they also could play themselves right out of the double bye this week vs. ARK and AUB.
 
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Vols2015 said:
Everyone is so negative on here. Let’s be positive and be glad we are in the position we are. Let’s focus on the now, not the past or future. Pat Summitt will never be replaced. Kellie is her own person, and she is her own coach, period. Go Lady Vols!
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I agree with the spirit of your post but it is not "everyone". We just have few negavols who function like bots set on autoblast
 
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Vols2015 said:
Everyone is so negative on here. Let’s be positive and be glad we are in the position we are. Let’s focus on the now, not the past or future. Pat Summitt will never be replaced. Kellie is her own person, and she is her own coach, period. Go Lady Vols!
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There is another forum that's all positive all the time. You might enjoy it more. Easier to join up w a culture you enjoy than to change one you don't. Especially on a sports forum!
 
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willinhf said:
Like I said--unpopular opinion.

And I'll wait to see where the men end up on the brackets.

Both underperformed from preseason predictions.

Men have better wins--yes....but they also have some unfathomable losses on their record as well...

IDK, but we will see in the SEC tourneys as well as the NCAAT how each team performs...but to me, it is a reasonable discussion to compare both seasons.
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Comparing apples and oranges here why compare them be like comparing the softball vs baseball teams geez woman and mens sports are two different things
 
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Volfan2012 said:
if I am trying to get a Lady Vol it would be Parker if she can't get the recruits in here no one can. She is also high energy and would know exactly how to substitute and who needed to play. I don't know if she want to be a head coach but I wish she did cause she would be my number one choice.
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Are we not past the part of eating our own? Holly and Kellie. Another reason for Kara to not come back but live comfortably coaching a team she has no history to the glory years. Big world of coaches to keep recycling those of the past.
 
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