Kellie Harper discussion/debate thread [merged]

[madtownvol]

Stanford beat us head to head last season? ROI seems to say they did. And point me to where I deflected. Pretty sure my stance when you’re zigging and zagging about other programs is to stay in the Tennessee lane.

Perhaps you genuinely don't recall what you write. In my response to the LVs being one of 7 programs to make the sweet 16 in the last 2 seasons, you responded "You worry about your own program and not taking pride is lesser programs exiting at the same time or before." By transitive properties, those "lesser programs" would include Stanford who is not in the group of seven.

Either have the courage of your convictions or quit arguing,.

 

[Majors]

Perhaps you genuinely don't recall what you write. In my response to the LVs being one of 7 programs to make the sweet 16 in the last 2 seasons, you responded "You worry about your own program and not taking pride is lesser programs exiting at the same time or before." By transitive properties, those "lesser programs" would include Stanford who is not in the group of seven.

Enough with the Fox News spinning of alternative facts. Either have the courage of your convictions or quit arguing,.

By trying to add other teams for comfort. That’s zigging and zagging. Where did Tennessee finish, not commentator fluff stats. A loser mentality is acknowledging last two years only 7 teams to make the S16. While others look at the entire resume and time here.

I also asked if Stanford beat us head to head? Which you didn’t answer. We know the answer…goes back to that 3% while others collect 9%.

 

[madtownvol]

By trying to add other teams for comfort. That’s zigging and zagging. Where did Tennessee finish, not commentator fluff stats. A loser mentality is acknowledging last two years only 7 teams to make the S16. While others look at the entire resume and time here.

I also asked if Stanford beat us head to head? Which you didn’t answer. We know the answer…goes back to that 3% while others collect 9%.

I did not answer because it is an irrelevant point.

Stanford beating us head to head does not change the fact that they did not make the Sweet 16 and the LVs did, just as the fact the LVs eliminated LSU from the SEC tournament does not change the fact that Kym and team went on to win the NC.

But let me get this straight

A loser mentality is acknowledging last two years only 7 teams to make the S16.

So, a "winner mentality" is pretending that everyone made the elite 8, since your narrative is that the LVS have been doing worse than everyone else?

Whatever....

 

[Majors]

I did not answer because it is an irrelevant point.

Stanford beating us head to head does not change the fact that they did not make the Sweet 16 and the LVs did, just as the fact the LVs eliminated LSU from the SEC tournament does not change the fact that Kym and team went on to win the NC.

But let me get this straight


So, a "winner mentality" is pretending that everyone made the elite 8, since your narrative is that the LVS have been doing worse than everyone else?

Whatever....

It’s no more irrelevant than you picking and choosing selected years of mediocrity. Just gets back to the Tennessee lane.

 

[Darth_Vol]

It’s no more irrelevant than you picking and choosing selected years of mediocrity. Just gets back to the Tennessee lane.

LOL let's not even mention the previous year Stanford was in the Final Four and the year before that they won the whole thing, but let me cherry pick their ONE season that was clearly an aberration to try to polish the LV turd....

 

[glv98]

Not getting any where we haven’t already been. It’s what I’ve always said.

 

[madtownvol]

It’s no more irrelevant than you picking and choosing selected years of mediocrity. Just gets back to the Tennessee lane.

Dude, my original post was looking at the last 15 years of LV basketball and pointing our that Kellie had the team trending in a promising direction over the last two seasons in an increasingly competitive environment (and recovering from the program low point she inherited from Holly).

That is not picking and choosing but looking at the record.

You keep digging though. It seems to be fun for you so great !!! I will sign off on this particular dialogue.

 

[chuckiepoo]

Dude, my original post was looking at the last 15 years of LV basketball and pointing our that Kellie had the team trending in a promising direction over the last two seasons in an increasingly competitive environment (and recovering from the program low point she inherited from Holly).

That is not picking and choosing but looking at the record.

You keep digging though. It seems to be fun for you so great !!! I will sign off on this particular dialogue.

I wondered how long you were going to continue to engage.

 

[Majors]

Dude, my original post was looking at the last 15 years of LV basketball and pointing our that Kellie had the team trending in a promising direction over the last two seasons in an increasingly competitive environment (and recovering from the program low point she inherited from Holly).

That is not picking and choosing but looking at the record.

You keep digging though. It seems to be fun for you so great !!! I will sign off on this particular dialogue.

You previously selected the last two years as being 1 of 7 teams as some sort of validity. We discussed the previous 15 when I stated you glazed over not mentioning Holly being in the E8. So I addressed both sidebars you selected. Believe you moved your own goal post.

*Low point left CKH her best players and years.

 

[Majors]

LOL let's not even mention the previous year Stanford was in the Final Four and the year before that they won the whole thing, but let me cherry pick their ONE season that was clearly an aberration to try to polish the LV turd....

We are in the cherry picking phase of the acceptance. I’m waiting for the poster to claim we are lucky as CKH is one of two coaches (male or female) to ever take 4 teams to the NCAAT.

 

[chuckiepoo]

We are in the cherry picking phase of the acceptance. I’m waiting for the poster to claim we are lucky as CKH is one of two coaches (male or female) to ever take 4 teams to the NCAAT.

Good point!

 

[Volfan2012]

If she can make the NCAA tourney I think White will bring Harper back even if we don't get very far in the tourney. There have been a lot of injuries this season and that will be taken into account. Still a tough road to travel as our SEC schedule is far more difficult than it has been in the last two years. Road games at SC, Bama, Ole Miss, Miss St. Georgia plus again at home vs SC and LSU make it quite tough this season.

 

[Go aeiou]

Back with 60% win percentage. Tourney or not.

 

[glv98]

Back, no matter what. No matter who likes it or not (except ADDW).

Next year though, will be the tell.

 

[Majors]

Back, no matter what. No matter who likes it or not (except ADDW).

Next year though, will be the tell.

This is where we disagree. If she shows this year isn’t competitive and somehow falls to 4th or lower in the league then next year is already predicted. Year 4 was her crossroads year and year five is her “now” year.

 

[Darth_Vol]

Next year though, will be the tell.

Funny, that's exactly what was being said coming into this year...

 

[MsSportsGuy]

If she can make the NCAA tourney I think White will bring Harper back even if we don't get very far in the tourney. There have been a lot of injuries this season and that will be taken into account. Still a tough road to travel as our SEC schedule is far more difficult than it has been in the last two years. Road games at SC, Bama, Ole Miss, Miss St. Georgia plus again at home vs SC and LSU make it quite tough this season.

I'd say if she makes the tournament she is back, but if she misses I'd say she's out.

I think they "should" make the tournament if they play to their potential but likely a 6 or 7 at best. That is of course taking no additional injuries into account and we know that can happen all too easily.

 

[Majors]

Times have changed here….seems those honest ones were spot on. Attendance is low enough and more fans calling for her resignation/firing next year does nothing but set the program back another year.


“If she makes the tournament” has shown how fall we’ve fallen for acceptance

 

[glv98]

Funny, that's exactly what was being said coming into this year

And into the year before as well. Then Rickea came back and it changed to this year. Then Rickea got hurt and it changed to . . .

For sure the goalposts keep moving given circumstances. But I really do think next yr is it. And with the obvious dropoff, which we've had a terrifying preview of already, it does not look good. Serious discussion will begin then.

Times have changed here….seems those honest ones were spot on. Attendance is low enough and more fans calling for her resignation/firing next year does nothing but set the program back another year.

When I say 100% KJH is back, I'm not talking about should happen, or what fans call for. Unless she resigns, there's 0% chance KJH is not the LV coach next year. She will not be fired after this season no matter what.

 

[Coach Jumper]

If she can make the NCAA tourney I think White will bring Harper back even if we don't get very far in the tourney. There have been a lot of injuries this season and that will be taken into account. Still a tough road to travel as our SEC schedule is far more difficult than it has been in the last two years. Road games at SC, Bama, Ole Miss, Miss St. Georgia plus again at home vs SC and LSU make it quite tough this season.

Maybe its time to look at,, "why" so many injuries.

 

[Dansky]

Your last sentence makes me depressed If true. She is back no matter what happens?

 

[Coach Jumper]

This is where we disagree. If she shows this year isn’t competitive and somehow falls to 4th or lower in the league then next year is already predicted. Year 4 was her crossroads year and year five is her “now” year.

Times have changed here….seems those honest ones were spot on. Attendance is low enough and more fans calling for her resignation/firing next year does nothing but set the program back another year.


“If she makes the tournament” has shown how far we’ve fallen for acceptance

There are no arguments for these quotes....Sadly!

 

[Majors]

Funny, that's exactly what was being said coming into this year...

Last season it was deemed by some that last years team was a F4 team. Now we have fans saying “if she makes the tournament”’. Two ends of expectations in a year.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Last season it was deemed by some that last years team was a F4 team. Now we have fans saying “if she makes the tournament”’. Two ends of expectations in a year.

The line between criticism/critique and "negavol" is,,,pointing out versus an unrelenting attacking
point was well-made,,,reemphasizing it lessens the impact

 

[Volfan2012]

In the end only one guy makes the decision and I can accept what he decides either way. Hopefully however it turns out we don't lose the players coming in next year and 2025 as those are three of the best players she has ever recruited definitely the best other than Rickea Jackson and Horston.