Kellie Jolly Harper is coming home

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VolBall09 said:
Fellow former winners include disgraced Coni Yori and a discretely removed from the list Kristy Curry. Spare me. The only coaching award that matters is the Naismith Coach of the Year award. The Kay Yow award almost always goes to a coach who makes a surprise tournament run. Doesn't mean a thing about her actual body of work. IMO the only awards she has won for coaching were mostly on name recognition alone from her time with the lady vols.
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Ahh yes, swat away any accomplishments that disprove your theory by disqualifying. Guilt by association, and all that. You're obviously right, so we'll go through her resume and strike out any national awards. Anything else you'd like to redact so we can be properly critical?
 
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glv98 said:
But that turned out not to be true, according to reliable insiders. Turns out current coaches don't consider it a top 5 destination any longer, interest was underwhelming. Partially due to a spending cap, partially due to timing, partially due to the tremendous damage HW did. So into the lower ranks we went.
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Can't be. Maria Cornelius said the job was "highly coveted".

:rolleyes:

Once again, sportswriters don't know what the hell they're talking about. Especially her since her head has been up Holly's rear end since 2012.
 
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Again how do you think she would have done with Holly’s players and Holly with hers? I willing to wager we were a final four team with KJH putting our talent to use.
 
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ShoalCreekVol said:
Ahh yes, swat away any accomplishments that disprove your theory by disqualifying. Guilt by association, and all that. You're obviously right, so we'll go through her resume and strike out any national awards. Anything else you'd like to redact so we can be properly critical?
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One thing you can't redact is a career 0.578 win percentage. By percentage she isn't even close to being in the top 50 of active coaches in Division 1. That isn't going to miraculously change. The goal was to compete for final fours again and based on her well established, 16 year track record, I don't see that happening.
 
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glv98 said:
Actually, I think one takeaway from this search is indeed that someone doesn't "value" women's athletics quite as much. This from probably the most reliable "insider" on this board, one who really knows whereof they speak most of the time:

So there was a $ ceiling, a feasible amount. And an unfeasable amount, unlike the piggy bank shattering just yesterday (justifibly IMO) to keep Rick Barnes. This may not be directly a PF thing, and not necessarily a decision against women's sports. It may be, as long suggested by some of the more irritating posters on this site, simply a business decision. In the best of times WBB might break even, but will probably never be a money maker.
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Its going to be harder than ever before for LV basketball to be a money maker. Its not 1995 anymore--look around the stands at TBA next time a game is on. They have a demographic time bomb that is going to explode in the next 20 years.
 
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glv98 said:
Agree right up until the last sentence. The house is a pile of rubble with a curl of smoke rising out of it. How is that not a rebuild?

I'm guessing you will cite the "talent" on the current roster. I see it as highly ranked but unproven potential which has translated into almost zero talent capable of winning SEC games. The development of potential into actual talent, especially when that potential has been so damaged by the previous staff, is now the Herculean task of KJH. May the basketball gods smile down on her and end our ongoing discussion of whether the LVs are need of a rebuild or not!
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Let me put it this way... I don't think it's a talent rebuild but it is a rebuild as far as the molding of that talent and holding anyone and everyone on the team and staff accountable. Whether the players want tough hard nosed coaching remains to be seen. I guess we'll see if Kellie can handle 6 McDonald's AA's.
 
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VolBall09 said:
Honest question. Can anyone name one single coach that has made a miraculous, mid career, turnaround and gone from an average/below average coach to an elite level winner?
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What did saban win before he went to lsu? And then on to bama?
 
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Though I am very skeptical about this hire, I am very excited and I do wish KJH success in Knoxville, if for no other reason than for the sake of the current players. I would love to see them have some confidence and success during their time at UT. Maybe she can get it done, I'm definitely in the "wait and see boat" like I was with Holly.
 
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cgrish said:
What did saban win before he went to lsu? And then on to bama?
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Talking women's basketball here. Can we not turn this into another football thread?

In basketball in general it really doesn't happen. You've either got it, or you don't.
 
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TAD said:
There is a thing of getting too many 5 stars .. that cant play together .... so hopefully KJH will mix the stars with hard working Tennessee gals who love UT ... kinda like her teams with stars like Holdsclaw and Cathchings ...
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If you have a championship model and pick players that can execute it, there’s never too many 5 stars. Every player loves their school. The home-grown player (or coach) is entirely overrated.
 
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mtsuraider06 said:
It's true. All of the recruits are still coming.

Contrary to DP, I've been told all of the players are coming back too, including Evina.

I guess that is more wait and see.
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You and DP both have a great track record. Hope your info is correct and that Evina is hungry to turn over a new page.

The potential is there. If this team comes together and maximizes that potential, it will be a massive tribute to both them and Coach Harper.

We should support them in this as much ad possible and focus on encouraging each step of the renewal. Will be great to see smiles and joy on faces for achievements earned through hard work and shared goals replacing the frustration of the past.

When this happens, as we optimists think it will, I hope we remember to thank Kellie's Lady Bears for showing what great things can be done through shared vision, effort, and belief.

It's a new day in Lady Vol land. Let's celebrate the future!
 
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therealitytheory said:
I'm guessing she was fired because of her 23-39 ACC record.
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I’m hoping the reason she wasn’t very successful at n.c. State was her lack of experience and maybe some immaturity. Now that she’s put in some additional coaching time and hopefully more knowledge, she can succeed here. However the coaching scrap heap is full of more successful mid-major coaches that moved up due to a long run in the n.c.a.a. tournament. Let’s pray that’s not the case here.
 
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vettefool said:
I’m hoping the reason she wasn’t very successful at n.c. State was her lack of experience and maybe some immaturity. Now that she’s put in some additional coaching time and hopefully more knowledge, she can succeed here. However the coaching scrap heap is full of more successful mid-major coaches that moved up due to a long run in the n.c.a.a. tournament. Let’s pray that’s not the case here.
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Some KJH defenders have said D Yow torpedoed her whole NC St tenure b/c KJH was not Kay's chosen successor. Still, her overall record is honestly not impressive, and your point about the MM scrapheap is well taken. I guess we have to hope the advance in resources and the pull of the alma will turn her into a good to great coach, as opposed to middlin to good.

The Horston news is most definitely huge. That vote of confidence in Harper cannot be understated. Horston has a chance to be the first elite LV recruit in a long, long time to actual reach elite college player status. If most or all of the rest stay, KJH is off to a dream start. Hell with what fans on keyboards say, this investment in her as their coach is priceless.

OK KJH, its all in place for you. Please, for the love of God, be more up to the task than the last person who inherited the keys to the kingdom!
 
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I'm optimistic that the riot had been quelled and that naysayers are grudgingly coming around and trying to keep an open mind. That's a good sign.

It's understandable that some may want (need?) to vent for a few days. And if they want to keep feet to tbe fire, maybe there's a place for that, too. We still want to see them in the seats cheering for championships and joining in the party!

At the end of the day, our blood all runs orange.
 
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