Kelly's 6 years at Oregon

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To the best of my knowledge Kelly had out in 6 years with the Ducks before moving to the other birds in the NFL as either OC or HC. Simply put, does it take CBJ as long to rebuild UT or will our past success put us on the fast track for future success?
 
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Will Jones even get 6 years to do it? I feel like if he doesn't have us competing for the east in year 3 people will call for his head.
 
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And, just for the record, Oregon had a 30-18 record over the previous 4 years before Kelly got there. They were 9-4/10-3 in his 2 as OC and the rest is history after he was HFC.
 
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Also for the record, Oregon has been building since the 70s and 80s. It started with Rich Brooks. They've been hiring from within and building for decades. Kelly didn't just show up and all of a sudden make them good.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
In the PAC 12, big whoop.
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The PAC 12 is the second best conference in the country, and I guarantee that the top half of the PAC 12 could compete fairly well with the top half of the SEC.

Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, Arizona State, and Washington are all legit teams.
 
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BookVol said:
The PAC 12 is the second best conference in the country, and I guarantee that the top half of the PAC 12 could compete fairly well with the top half of the SEC.

Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, Arizona State, and Washington are all legit teams.
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:lolabove: :loco: :lolabove:
 
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It was easy for Kelly. California was loaded with talent and wanted some one from PAC to rise with the downfall of USC. Oregon did that and talent went there.

Not easy in SEC with all the recruiting battles.
 
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MoltenOrangeCore said:
:lolabove: :loco: :lolabove:
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If you're laughing at that, particularly in reference to this year, you're simply not watching any football.

As for the rest of you, I wouldn't judge your Vols until they run through this gauntlet of a schedule. Your athletes and coaching are far more suited to play against teams like UF and fauxUSC. Oregon isn't a good team to play if you're trying to figure out where you stand. The 5 teams that beat Oregon in the 4 years under Chip Kelly were at least a REALLY good team with an elite coach and either an elite QB or an elite defensive line. If you don't have that, simply put, Oregon is dropping 50+ on you. It doesn't matter if you're a good team that goes on to win 9 games or a bad team that wins 2. And that's precisely why it's hard to figure out where your team stands. You're not a really good team with an elite coach and either an elite QB or elite defensive line...yet. And that doesn't mean you can't be a 7-9 win team in CBJ's first year.

Also mind you, of the last 4 years following the Chip Kelly system and "Oregon way," this is BY FAR the most talented team we've fielded. The 2010 team that beat you and went to the title game would be a 21+ point dog to this team in Vegas. Now it's more than just a system, conditioning, and crafty play calling. Our starting O and D have upwards of 11-12 NFL players on it. When we went to the title game in 2010, 3 players were drafted from the WHOLE TEAM, all in the third round or later. This current squad, could have 3-4 players drafted in the FIRST ROUND depending on declares early.

That being said, it's hard to gauge your team against the Ducks. Again, the reason is that whether it's a pretty good 9-10 win team, a good 6-9 win team, or a bad 1-3 win team, Oregon scores the same. Meaning, a bad 2 win Washington State/Colorado team will give up as many points as a pretty good Arizona/UCLA team.

Point I'm making is, what happened Saturday is what happend to any team that isn't elite. That doesn't mean you can put the Vols into a group of all the bad teams that have lost to UO in a big way. I think something needs to be done with your QB situation; but aside from that, you've got the talent and coaching to win some games this year and get back on track.

As mentioned above, Kelly didn't take over the Ducks, wave hiis magic wand, and POOF! the Ducks existed for the first time. We had started our "rise" in the late 70s, turned a real corner in 1994, got on the map in 2001, and it all culminated in 2010. We have been hiring internally for 30 years, we have retained the same coaching staff for two decades, and we have been winning 9 games a year on average from 1993-to present.

You guys won't need long to get back. You're Tennessee. You need a good coach, a good philosophy, and a good message. You might not be winning games against Bama or Georgia year one, but Butch is probably the guy to ascend the program. Just wait to see how the team responds in the upcoming schedule instead of trying to judge this team based on how they played against the Ducks. I can't understate how many good teams have been beat up like that agains us - even what turned out to be pretty good teams. Good luck and I'll be rooting for you big against UF (hate thosoe guys).
 
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Vols4ever said:
It was easy for Kelly. California was loaded with talent and wanted some one from PAC to rise with the downfall of USC. Oregon did that and talent went there.

Not easy in SEC with all the recruiting battles.
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Correct, but not all correct. Oregon had always recruited NorCal (where the culture and climate are similar to the Pacific Northwest, and also has relative proximity). We also recruited well enough in SoCal. What USC's fall did was allow Oregon to get more ELITE talent from the SoCal area.

But what really transformed Oregon was recruiting nationally. Chip Kelly knew that our brand was national. He knew that big match ups against the Ducks are amongst the highest rated TV games of the year. He knew that based on internet tracking of NCAA (xbox and PS3), more people choose to play with Oregon than any other team. He knew that if you asked offensive players from teams around the country, "If you could play for any other team, which would it be," they would likely say Oregon. He knew that the facilities and uniforms and style and deverything that old people hate made the kids who are actually being recruited go, "****, that looks nice."


Chip Kelly knew all this and realized the only way to get to the next level - the level beyond just 9 wins a year - was to recruit nationally and take advantage of that national brand. After that realization and effort, we have a roster the features players not just from California and Oregon, but: Hawaii, Montana, Washington, Ohio, Arizona, Alabama, Texas, Nebraska, Florida, Colorado, Utah, Michigan, North Carolina, and Georgia. That's diverse, and says a lot about how much the Oregon brand has spread since 2001.

Tennessee is a national brand. They have been, are, and unless you slip into 10+ years of ineptitude, will be. The recruiting battles in the south are tough, because you don't just have the better SEC teams stealing talent, but also North Carolina, Florida State, Virginia Tech, Miami, Texas, etc. Hell, even Oregon these days is recruiting the south more. Point is, you have a lot of hands reaching into the cookie jar.

Tennessee doesn't need to win all those recruiting battles. You need to win enough of them and then continue to recruit nationally, like you always have. Tennessee and Nebraska are the two traditional powers with the slimmest in-state pickings. When you guys were at the top, your coaches were walking into living rooms in New Jersey, Michigan, California, and wherever else and saying, "We're Tennessee. Come play for us." And that was it. You stole players from USC and Notre Dame and Texas and Ohio State. That's what you need to get back top. Seal in what few elite players Tennessee produces, win enough recruiting battles in the south, and get the rest of your squad from far-away states, using that national brand that so many teams covet.
 
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DuckIt said:
If you're laughing at that, particularly in reference to this year, you're simply not watching any football.

As for the rest of you, I wouldn't judge your Vols until they run through this gauntlet of a schedule. Your athletes and coaching are far more suited to play against teams like UF and fauxUSC. Oregon isn't a good team to play if you're trying to figure out where you stand. The 5 teams that beat Oregon in the 4 years under Chip Kelly were at least a REALLY good team with an elite coach and either an elite QB or an elite defensive line. If you don't have that, simply put, Oregon is dropping 50+ on you. It doesn't matter if you're a good team that goes on to win 9 games or a bad team that wins 2. And that's precisely why it's hard to figure out where your team stands. You're not a really good team with an elite coach and either an elite QB or elite defensive line...yet. And that doesn't mean you can't be a 7-9 win team in CBJ's first year.

Also mind you, of the last 4 years following the Chip Kelly system and "Oregon way," this is BY FAR the most talented team we've fielded. The 2010 team that beat you and went to the title game would be a 21+ point dog to this team in Vegas. Now it's more than just a system, conditioning, and crafty play calling. Our starting O and D have upwards of 11-12 NFL players on it. When we went to the title game in 2010, 3 players were drafted from the WHOLE TEAM, all in the third round or later. This current squad, could have 3-4 players drafted in the FIRST ROUND depending on declares early.

That being said, it's hard to gauge your team against the Ducks. Again, the reason is that whether it's a pretty good 9-10 win team, a good 6-9 win team, or a bad 1-3 win team, Oregon scores the same. Meaning, a bad 2 win Washington State/Colorado team will give up as many points as a pretty good Arizona/UCLA team.

Point I'm making is, what happened Saturday is what happend to any team that isn't elite. That doesn't mean you can put the Vols into a group of all the bad teams that have lost to UO in a big way. I think something needs to be done with your QB situation; but aside from that, you've got the talent and coaching to win some games this year and get back on track.

As mentioned above, Kelly didn't take over the Ducks, wave hiis magic wand, and POOF! the Ducks existed for the first time. We had started our "rise" in the late 70s, turned a real corner in 1994, got on the map in 2001, and it all culminated in 2010. We have been hiring internally for 30 years, we have retained the same coaching staff for two decades, and we have been winning 9 games a year on average from 1993-to present.

You guys won't need long to get back. You're Tennessee. You need a good coach, a good philosophy, and a good message. You might not be winning games against Bama or Georgia year one, but Butch is probably the guy to ascend the program. Just wait to see how the team responds in the upcoming schedule instead of trying to judge this team based on how they played against the Ducks. I can't understate how many good teams have been beat up like that agains us - even what turned out to be pretty good teams. Good luck and I'll be rooting for you big against UF (hate thosoe guys).
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U might be right and u sound pretty level headed, but as a long loving support of the vols (and many of us r) we don't like seeing our once proud and storied football team get its teeth kicked in. Weren't use to this crap and nor should we. This might not be a popular what i am about to say, but i think we should have gone the coach Snyder way bought out the Oregon game and put a softie on the schedule. Its better to get exposed in your on conference than out of conference on national T.V. ! That **** was horrible.
 
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Vol Catdaddy said:
U might be right and u sound pretty level headed, but as a long loving support of the vols (and many of us r) we don't like seeing our once proud and storied football team get its teeth kicked in. Weren't use to this crap and nor should we. This might not be a popular what i am about to say, but i think we should have gone the coach Snyder way bought out the Oregon game and put a softie on the schedule. Its better to get exposed in your on conference than out of conference on national T.V. ! That **** was horrible.
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You buyout people say you are scared, if we don't we get spanked on national TV.

End of year people forget that it was an embarrassing loss but in the other case we would have been branded as an SEC team that was scared of a PAC team for years to come.
 
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UT got beat by a much better team. There is no reason for a melt-down. It was on the road and it looked bad (it was bad). It is now history. The season is young and there are plenty of opportunities to build from defeat. The bottom line is that the team is better coached but still lacks the horses to compete at an elite level. This too shall pass.
 
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Technically speaking, Kelly pretty much did just show up and waive the magical wand. He was only at Oregon as the OC for two seasons and pretty much forced Oregon's hand to move Bellotti into the AD role. At least that is my understanding. Its not like Kelly was a life-time Oregon guy. He ran a completely different offense than the one he is known for at Oregons while he was at New Hampshire. The Philly offense is different in some elements than the Oregon offense. He is just a very good offensive and strategic coach.
 
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VFLCodyGBO said:
To the best of my knowledge Kelly had out in 6 years with the Ducks before moving to the other birds in the NFL as either OC or HC. Simply put, does it take CBJ as long to rebuild UT or will our past success put us on the fast track for future success?
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That is why new coaches get a 4-6 year contract. However, we see that some morons on this board think our program should be rebuilt in three games.
 
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Vol Catdaddy said:
U might be right and u sound pretty level headed, but as a long loving support of the vols (and many of us r) we don't like seeing our once proud and storied football team get its teeth kicked in. Weren't use to this crap and nor should we. This might not be a popular what i am about to say, but i think we should have gone the coach Snyder way bought out the Oregon game and put a softie on the schedule. Its better to get exposed in your on conference than out of conference on national T.V. ! That **** was horrible.
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If it helps, 95% of the country was watching Bama & aTm. To your point, it was a "marquis" type match-up that didn't turn out well for the Vols.
 
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Jonsson said:
Will Jones even get 6 years to do it? I feel like if he doesn't have us competing for the east in year 3 people will call for his head.
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6 yrs My God...LOL

Saban set the bar he went 12-0 at Bama in his 2nd year!

Thats coming off how many coaches and scandals! Over the 10 years before he came?


Urban Meyer did what at Oh St after they went 6-7 year before and on probation!
 
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volmaverick said:
6 yrs My God...LOL

Saban set the bar he went 12-0 at Bama in his 2nd year!

Thats coming off how many coaches and scandals! Over the 10 years before he came?


Urban Meyer did what at Oh St after the went 6-7 year before and on probation!
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They still had talent which is what we don't and have not had for a number of years. Time to learn something about football.
 
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