Kelly's 6 years at Oregon

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BookVol said:
The PAC 12 is the second best conference in the country, and I guarantee that the top half of the PAC 12 could compete fairly well with the top half of the SEC.

Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, Arizona State, and Washington are all legit teams.
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well, you got the first two right but the others no way hosa:pepper:
 
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Vols4ever said:
You buyout people say you are scared, if we don't we get spanked on national TV.

End of year people forget that it was an embarrassing loss but in the other case we would have been branded as an SEC team that was scared of a PAC team for years to come.
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I disagree. When u are a coach u could care less what people say as long as u win and develop your team.
 
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All I know is its going to take atleast 4 seasons to get us going in the right direction. Thats how far we have dropped in the last 10 yrs
 
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jimallvol said:
All I know is its going to take atleast 4 seasons to get us going in the right direction. Thats how far we have dropped in the last 10 yrs
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What coach in the SEC in the past 20 years has taken 4 years to get things going in the right direction? Hell, James Franklin won 9 in his second year at Vanderbilt. Your kind of thinking amazes me. Based on your criteria, Dooley ought to still be our coach.

Face it, either Butch Jones gets this ship back on course quickly, or he's not going to survive in the SEC, plain and simple.
 
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DuckIt said:
Oregon is more than Nike. The vast majority of Nike contribution to UO is uniform influence. Which, it should be said, is the same influence they provide to every other school sponsored by Nike. Is it an advantage that players have a minor say in Oregon uniform designs? I'm sure it is. But how does that make you conclude Oregon = Nike? The ties are big and apparent, but Nike the corporation has little to do with Oregon university. Nike hasn't donated a dime to UO's success, outside of uniform variation. Last I checked you need players, coaches, a system, a philosophy, fan support, and a history of winning to succeed. If anything, Nike has ridden the coat tails of Oregon's success as much as the other way around.
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Hope you don't mind, but I decided to do some research. Here is a link to an article by SI that supports my statement.
Nike's Phil Knight has branded Oregon into national power - Michael Rosenberg - SI.com
 
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Thanks for all the analysis and insight, DuckIt :good!: I agree with nearly everything you've said. It's unfortunate that a vast number of Vol fans can't accept that Oregon is a great team and UT is rebuilding, and what that entails when they square off...
 
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DuckinNuts said:
gary crowton was also a bad hire by oregon... that was the year oregon lost 38-8 to BYU in the las vegas bowl.
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Crowton was a good hire for the transition. He was there 2005-6 We only lost to USC and Okie in 2005. Problem with Crowton is that he's not imaginative.
 
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Sheik Yerbouti said:
When you are not good, you need to get your teeth kicked in every now and then. Then your kids understand they they have to go to work, listen to their coaches, stick with the program and keep their heads down. It takes years of constant effort to build and get better. That's what lots of football fans seem to be missing. Even former players sometimes miss this point. You have to have been part of an effort to drag a losing program out of the basement and into competitiveness to really know what is required, and this happens so seldom that most people have no sense of the effort, consistency and dedication required.
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Preach it. :rock:

And let's give a shout-out to those who come in as freshmen with no realistic expectation of great stuff happening even by their senior years (so they don't get the glory themselves), but they know that the work that they did builds the momentum that will carry the team to great things after they graduate. But they still show up and practice and play. And take the concussions and ACL's and all the rest.

Go Vols!!!
 
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utvolkyle06 said:
Hope you don't mind, but I decided to do some research. Here is a link to an article by SI that supports my statement.
Nike's Phil Knight has branded Oregon into national power - Michael Rosenberg - SI.com
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The story you linked illustrates his point perfectly.
It isn't Nike, the company with a board of directors and stock holders to answer to that gives to the UofO, It's Uncle Phil being generous with his personal fortune. Semantics maybe, but if people are going to use the "Nike U" statement as if it were some shameful epithet then at least be factually correct and call us Knight U. :p
 
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utvolkyle06 said:
Hope you don't mind, but I decided to do some research. Here is a link to an article by SI that supports my statement.
Nike's Phil Knight has branded Oregon into national power - Michael Rosenberg - SI.com
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Haha. Thanks for the article that proved my point. Oregon was partially built by Phil Knight. Who happens to be the head man at Nike. The connection makes sense since, you know, he matriculated at UO, graduated from UO, ran track at UO, and created the foundation for Nike while a student at UO.

Point I'm making is that we receive donations from Phil Knight. A man. A graduate and alumnus of UO. It's no different than all the wealthy boosters who donate money to Tennessee. It jus happens that our wealthiest booster is the founder of Nike. But it's still Phil Knight - not a board or committee or shareholders or employees - who donate to Oregon. What Nike contributes the most (uniforms) are an advertisement for the company; it's a strategy that they use with every school that is sponsored by Nike. I believe that would include such schools as Virginia Tech, LSU, Oregon State, TCU, and many others.

Oregon benefits from Phil Knight. An alum. Every school sponsored by Nike benefits from Nike. Glad you pay attention to the landscape of college football. And glad you have trouble reading articles beyond the surface.
 
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Funny gaffe up there DuckIt... Gary (Crowton) and Andy (Ludwig) .

Both were kind of lame for us, but Crowton at least brought us Chip Kelly (he was the one who pointed Bellotti towards Kelly when he left for LSU.)

And the Nike comment...
Our Asst. AD for Football Ops Jeff Hawkins was just quoted as suggesting that Oregon tells recruits that we *are* the University of Nike. Call it what it is - it's much more than Uncle Phil simply giving his millions - it's him giving us his millions and doing so in a way that involves his marketing/design/architecture connections every step of the way... it's Tinker Hatfield, it's ZGF, it's TVA, it's the Beaverton company making everybody's helmets, etc. Nike does business with everyone, and everyone gets cool stuff from them, but we get it first, and often in a more specially customized way.

No, we are not *just* Nike. We are first and foremost outstanding and uniquely dedicated coaches, innovative and groundbreaking strength and conditioning, *and* Uncle Phil and his marketing/design juggernaut. The latter is not why a kid picks us over other schools - it's a key component to why he's interested in us in the first place. The glitz of the program gets us in the door with a lot of kids, just as winning does - it's when they get up here and actually experience life as an Oregon football player that they are ultimately won over - interacting with the players and coaches, and seeing first-hand how we do things - or not. ;)
 
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BellottiBold said:
Funny gaffe up there DuckIt... Gary (Crowton) and Andy (Ludwig) .

Both were kind of lame for us, but Crowton at least brought us Chip Kelly (he was the one who pointed Bellotti towards Kelly when he left for LSU.)

And the Nike comment...
Our Asst. AD for Football Ops Jeff Hawkins was just quoted as suggesting that Oregon tells recruits that we *are* the University of Nike. Call it what it is - it's much more than Uncle Phil simply giving his millions - it's him giving us his millions and doing so in a way that involves his marketing/design/architecture connections every step of the way... it's Tinker Hatfield, it's ZGF, it's TVA, it's the Beaverton company making everybody's helmets, etc. Nike does business with everyone, and everyone gets cool stuff from them, but we get it first, and often in a more specially customized way.

No, we are not *just* Nike. We are first and foremost outstanding and uniquely dedicated coaches, innovative and groundbreaking strength and conditioning, *and* Uncle Phil and his marketing/design juggernaut. The latter is not why a kid picks us over other schools - it's a key component to why he's interested in us in the first place. The glitz of the program gets us in the door with a lot of kids, just as winning does - it's when they get up here and actually experience life as an Oregon football player that they are ultimately won over - interacting with the players and coaches, and seeing first-hand how we do things - or not. ;)
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Haha. Both of the coaches were kind of nightmares for me. Makes sense if join them together into one über-nightmare.

Yeah, I hear ya. And I agree. Nike definitely helps. But too much is accredited to it. Without winning, a future in the NFL, academic support, a great campus, and innovative football minds, Nike doesn't mean a damn thing.
 
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DuckIt said:
Haha. Thanks for the article that proved my point. Oregon was partially built by Phil Knight. Who happens to be the head man at Nike. The connection makes sense since, you know, he matriculated at UO, graduated from UO, ran track at UO, and created the foundation for Nike while a student at UO.

Point I'm making is that we receive donations from Phil Knight. A man. A graduate and alumnus of UO. It's no different than all the wealthy boosters who donate money to Tennessee. It jus happens that our wealthiest booster is the founder of Nike. But it's still Phil Knight - not a board or committee or shareholders or employees - who donate to Oregon. What Nike contributes the most (uniforms) are an advertisement for the company; it's a strategy that they use with every school that is sponsored by Nike. I believe that would include such schools as Virginia Tech, LSU, Oregon State, TCU, and many others.

Oregon benefits from Phil Knight. An alum. Every school sponsored by Nike benefits from Nike. Glad you pay attention to the landscape of college football. And glad you have trouble reading articles beyond the surface.
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Don't be insulting, it's a distinction without a difference.
 
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Haha. Thanks for the article that proved my point. Oregon was partially built by Phil Knight. Who happens to be the head man at Nike. The connection makes sense since, you know, he matriculated at UO, graduated from UO, ran track at UO, and created the foundation for Nike while a student at UO.

Point I'm making is that we receive donations from Phil Knight. A man. A graduate and alumnus of UO. It's no different than all the wealthy boosters who donate money to Tennessee. It jus happens that our wealthiest booster is the founder of Nike. But it's still Phil Knight - not a board or committee or shareholders or employees - who donate to Oregon. What Nike contributes the most (uniforms) are an advertisement for the company; it's a strategy that they use with every school that is sponsored by Nike. I believe that would include such schools as Virginia Tech, LSU, Oregon State, TCU, and many others.

Oregon benefits from Phil Knight. An alum. Every school sponsored by Nike benefits from Nike. Glad you pay attention to the landscape of college football. And glad you have trouble reading articles beyond the surface.
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Speaking of Nike. It never made any sense to me that UT is sponsored by Addias. They may give us a lot of money, but Nike is the more reconizied brand. JMO If we were sponsored by Nike we might not have got a lot more money on the front end, but a lot of money on the back end and better reconition.
 
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Canard said:
Crowton was a good hire for the transition. He was there 2005-6 We only lost to USC and Okie in 2005. Problem with Crowton is that he's not imaginative.
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Crowton was a horrible hire. Most "fans" in the stands at Oregon games could tell you what the next play was going to be when Crowton was calling plays. I can't imagine how easy it was for opposing teams to shut Oregon down when Crowton was there.

Just horrible!!!!!!!! ...

Typical series.......... Run over right tackle, run over right tackle, third and 6 pass to the sidelines. PUNT.
 
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