Kelsey Pope?? Does Heupel need to look at getting a new WRs coach?

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BigALWiLson said:
What have you seen the last two years ? Drops and never making a big time play ?
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What has happened the last 2 years with QB play. Let's use our brain. This offense is driven by the QB being able to hit shots down the field. If they're not hitting the shots, it handcuffs the offense. Sometimes a defense will only give you short passes. You take what the Defense gives you.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
What has happened the last 2 years with QB play. Let's use our brain. This offense is driven by the QB being able to hit shots down the field. If they're not hitting the shots, it handcuffs the offense. Sometimes a defense will only give you short passes. You take what the Defense gives you.
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Did you ever stop to think that for a QB to be successful his WR have to be open. How many times have you seen our god awful route trees have a wr open early ? Not 30 yards down field. Sure it is nice to have splash plays. Georgia beat our secondaries eyes shut with 10 to12 yard routes and getting open. Wanna blame Nico fine. One is in his first year and the rest are all experienced, most of the ones playing have no eligibility left after the season. Think I will take the young guy.
 
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theFallGuy said:
Players have to make plays. Whether it's coaching or not I don't know. I'll trust Huepel to make changes if he needs to. But starting these predictable threads about firings after every loss is funny
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I didn't start the thread but I damn sure have an opinion. Pope is not impressive in his teachings if he can't get guys to translate it to the field. That's the #1 job for any coach. 90%of the grade imo
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
We need a new WR, OC and OL coach. But we all know it’s not gonna happen. No use talking about it.
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I don’t know if I fully blame the OL, Lance Heard has looked much better. I hate when we have to play Dayne Davis. Campbell is iffy at best
theFallGuy said:
Y'all are so predictable with this garbage thread. It's comical
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care to elaborate? It was just a question. However regardless of the play calling something has been missing from our WRs the last 2 yrs
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
What has happened the last 2 years with QB play. Let's use our brain. This offense is driven by the QB being able to hit shots down the field. If they're not hitting the shots, it handcuffs the offense. Sometimes a defense will only give you short passes. You take what the Defense gives you.
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The receiving corps had a **** load of drops last year too and it wasn't just because milton throws the ball hard. Milton was actually an above average starting qb but got no help from the receiving corps.

I think the passing game needs a total revamp. We need to use tight ends more consistently in the passing game and the route tree needs to be modernized.
 
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SamuraiVol74 said:
Anyone who doesn't look at certain coaches and think "wow, we could be better" are only looking at things through Vol-tinted glasses. Halzle, Elarbee, Martinez, and Pope are all issues that should be addressed.
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You’re reflexively harping on Martinez, but the fact is that other than running backs, qb, and specialists, our cornerbacks were our best position group last night.
 
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Our receivers are not learning the playbook. Its taking these guys 5 or 6 years to figure it out and squirrel still looks lost at times. There is a lack of teaching in that room.

In this offense, receivers have to read the defense and make the right decision and if they don't make the same decision as the qb then it doesn't work. We aren't assessing talent well in that room and the players aren't making the right reads.
 
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if you look at Pope's history...the only prolific passing team he has ever been a part of was the 2022 volunteers in his first year as wide receivers coach when he was gifted a biletnikof level talent by his predecessor and one of the best passers in Tennessee history was under center. His other results are not encouraging.

2018-19 Shorter University, Asst Wide Receiver Coach: 187 passing yds per game. Leading receiver 388 yards and 3 tds
2019-20 Tennessee Tech, Wide receiver Coach: 238 passing yds per game. Leading receiver 629 yds 3 tds.
2020-21 Gardner Webb*, passing game coordinator: 178.5 passing yds per game. Leading receiver 267 yds 2 tds.
2021-22 -Tennessee offensive analyst-
22-23 Tennesse wide receivers coach: 326 yds per game. Leading receiver (Jalin Hyatt) 15 tds
23-24 Tennessee: 243 passing yds per game. Leading receiver: Squirrel White, 803
24-25 Tennessee: 229 passing yds per game. Leading receiver: Donte Thornton, 505**

Average over 6 years of coaching: 233 yds per game

*Season cut to 4 games due to covid
**Season in progress
 
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theFallGuy said:
Yeah it's called Cedric Tillman, Jaylin Hyatt and Darnell Wright
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Cedric Till and Jaylin Hyatt did nothing in their UT careers until Heupel got here( objective fact). And Darnell Wright was underwhelming pre Elerbee. Fact of the matter is all those guys were coached up when Heupel got here Henson Hooker as well( lost his job at VT)……all those guys were upper class men when Heupel and his coaching staff changed the trajectory of their careers
 
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The corners played well enough to win Saturday night. That's Martinez' crew. I've been a critic of his in the past but Saturday night was more of an issue with safeties and linebackers in the middle of the field. Safeties are Banks' position group and Banks is the one calling the defense.

Ellarbee I can agree with. He's been relying on Pruitt recruits and transfers. Have we seen a HS recruit of his developed and getting significant playing time?

Pope, the jury is still out on for me. The WRs have looked good in the past. How much of that is scheme, talent, play calling in the past, I don't know. It does seem like we have issues getting WRs open.

It's pointless arguing about it, because I believe that Heupel has never fired an assistant, and he certainly won't fire Ellarbee or guys that he is friends with. This is why you never mix friendships with business.
 
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The_topis_Rocky89 said:
Cedric Till and Jaylin Hyatt did nothing in their UT careers until Heupel got here( objective fact). And Darnell Wright was underwhelming pre Elerbee. Fact of the matter is all those guys were coached up when Heupel got here Henson Hooker as well( lost his job at VT)……all those guys were upper class men when Heupel and his coaching staff changed the trajectory of their careers
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Man I agree with Heupel but I'm not sold at all with the WR's and Pope. I think Golesh had more to do with that then Pope.
 
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SamuraiVol74 said:
Yeah, bpalmer.
Don't get me wrong, I am not placing all of the disappointment on him, but there are holes in the defensive backs play also.
The choice for him is probably more personal than is merit (and I accept that) and I do tend to be more critical of him and his unit than I probably should be. The reason for that is because he has had some really good talent that always seems to **** the bed on a regular basis. That might be all on the player....or it might be player and coaching.
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Just a point of clarification. Martinez coaches cornerbacks, not defensive backs. Banks coaches safeties. You can only judge Martinez by the cornerback performance and they have performed extremely well this year.
 
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The_topis_Rocky89 said:
Cedric Till and Jaylin Hyatt did nothing in their UT careers until Heupel got here( objective fact). And Darnell Wright was underwhelming pre Elerbee. Fact of the matter is all those guys were coached up when Heupel got here Henson Hooker as well( lost his job at VT)……all those guys were upper class men when Heupel and his coaching staff changed the trajectory of their careers
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what is your point here? You asked me what was different about 2022 and now. We obviously had a better WR room and NFL talent on the oline and a way more experienced QB. We don't anymore. That doesn't mean anyone needs to be fired.
 
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theFallGuy said:
what is your point here? You asked me what was different about 2022 and now. We obviously had a better WR room and NFL talent on the oline and a way more experienced QB. We don't anymore. That doesn't mean anyone needs to be fired.
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While I agree with everything. Coaches are still responsible for getting that NFL talent and developing it. I'm not positive in the development of our WR's or OL. We have landed guys, yet we are not good at WR or OL currently. That's the issue is the inconsistency
 
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BigALWiLson said:
While I agree with everything. Coaches are still responsible for getting that NFL talent and developing it. I'm not positive in the development of our WR's or OL. We have landed guys, yet we are not good at WR or OL currently. That's the issue is the inconsistency
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Most of the oline talent we have landed are too young to start. I don't have time to look but pretty sure if you look at the 20-22 recruiting classes there really isn't much there. That is why we have gone out into the transfer for players.

Correct me if I'm wrong but:

Dayne Davis is a walk on
Heard is a transfer
Karic is a transfer
Campbell is a transfer
Larry Johnson is a transfer
 
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theFallGuy said:
what is your point here? You asked me what was different about 2022 and now. We obviously had a better WR room and NFL talent on the oline and a way more experienced QB. We don't anymore. That doesn't mean anyone needs to be fired.
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My point was those guys were nobodies until Heupel got here. However the WR coach now is not a ho was originally on the staff and there is a noticeable difference
 
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NighthawkVol said:
Just a point of clarification. Martinez coaches cornerbacks, not defensive backs. Banks coaches safeties. You can only judge Martinez by the cornerback performance and they have performed extremely well this year.
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That is true, Nighthawk.

In regards to Martinez's job and the play of the whole defense, I will always advocate that the effectiveness of the defensive backfield is predicated on the success of the D-Line. No pressure up front, DBs get torched in most cases. That being said and specific to the Georgia game, there were too many times no one (corners or safeties) were aiding linebackers in TE coverage. Linebackers can cover TEs, but they usually need some help over the top. That help was void this past Saturday. My disappointment is with the entire defensive performance and too many times, it looks like Banks and all his defensive coaches have game planned based on what the previous opponent of the team they are facing did......and that turns out to be all wrong. Then, they struggle to adjust/adapt. To me, that is a product of every coach on that side of the ball. Martinez included.
 
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