Kennedy Chandler's future? [drafted No.38 to Memphis]

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#101
No Chandler in 1st round of USA Today’s most recent update…
2022 NBA consensus mock draft 1.0: How the internet is projecting the first round before March Madness

Yahoos most recent has him at #23…
2022 NBA Mock Draft 5.0: Jabari Smith rises to No. 1

NBA draft room has him at #39 in their update…
2022 2nd Round - NBA Draft Room

Obviously the SI update from yesterday that was shared here already has him at #48…
NBA draft: Ranking the top 80 prospects in 2022 - Sports Illustrated


So the 4 most updated mocks I could find have him on average going 2nd round, are all the mocks wrong and scouts actually view him as Top 10-15? What reasoning if his stock appearing to be that low if it isn’t his shot? His height has been known all along?
 
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The knock I’ve seen is that he doesn’t break down defensive sets well, doesn’t make advanced reads, and doesn’t perform well against elite defenders.
 
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With as well as he has been playing lately, can’t believe he isn’t starting to rise back up the boards. If those number stick, give him the equivalent of a late first round contract in NIL money.
 
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SlyStone said:
It's funny how people talk themselves into believing he will come back for another season. I hope he does, but realistically NO. Enjoy this run we are on.
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Who’s trying to talk themselves into anything or saying anything that isn’t true? The 4 most recent mocks have him going in the 2nd round on average, maybe you think as a 2nd round pick he’s a lock to go, but guys come back all the time who are projected 2nd round.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
No Chandler in 1st round of USA Today’s most recent update…
2022 NBA consensus mock draft 1.0: How the internet is projecting the first round before March Madness

Yahoos most recent has him at #23…
2022 NBA Mock Draft 5.0: Jabari Smith rises to No. 1

NBA draft room has him at #39 in their update…
2022 2nd Round - NBA Draft Room

Obviously the SI update from yesterday that was shared here already has him at #48…
NBA draft: Ranking the top 80 prospects in 2022 - Sports Illustrated


So the 4 most updated mocks I could find have him on average going 2nd round, are all the mocks wrong and scouts actually view him as Top 10-15? What reasoning if his stock appearing to be that low if it isn’t his shot? His height has been known all along?
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Just to put a bow on the discussion as it relates to my question and comparison to Darius Garland, I hope the takeaway for you wasn't that I was making a case for Chandler to be the 6th overall pick, or even top 10-15 (the range you mentioned above), nor was I stating my belief that Chandler is, or ever will be, the better player.

It was, more or less, an exercise in contrasting two players with similar physical and athletic profiles, and what made Garland a top-6 pick versus what has Chandler, perhaps, on the outside looking in of the 1st round, entirely. Was Garland's shooting that elite and Chandler's currently viewed as that irreparable? Maybe so. At first glance, I wouldn't have guessed so, which is why I used DG as my example, coupled with the fact that he didn't hardly have anything of a freshman season to prove it. Those five games he played in didn't set him apart. They simply served to not cripple the reputation he already had. His draft profile was built around his prep reputation and pre-draft workouts.

Their respective recruiting rankings/profiles were similar, as well, so it's odd that the perceived gap in talent and potential wasn't accounted for there, either. I hesitate to mention this because NBA scouts are much better at identifying strengths and weaknesses than recruiting analysts, typically, not to mention any politicking that may be at play in those recruiting rankings. Still, it's worth noting.

So here's what gives me some hope on Chandler possibly returning...

1.) If the problem is his shot, that is a fixable flaw, and we just happen to have a coach who has fixed several of them just at Tennessee, alone.

2.) Barnes also has a history of improving a PG's draft stock for those that stick around for a second season.

3.) NIL now allows kids an opportunity to recoup some of the lost wages of what would have been their rookie season. Tennessee now has a collaborative effort organized to capitalize kids' NIL value. Hopefully, Spyre figures out a compelling package that tempts KC, enough.

I think Kennedy Chandler is a top-20ish level talent, and if the thing keeping him from reaching that level is a fixable flaw in his game, and not an unchangeable physical flaw, then I think the case for him returning has more merit than I originally did.
 
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^^^ I agree with everything you said above. It’s my belief/understanding that probably 90% of what is hurting Chandler’s stock (from a fixable i.e not growing taller) standpoint is his shooting, and really shooting across the board. If that is incorrect and it is something else or a combination of other things hurting him then I’ll take that L and be wrong, I’ve just not seen it mentioned what those things are. I can’t imagine it’s his measurables because his stock was higher preseason/early in the year, so it has to be something in regards to his play. All of the write ups from these folks doing mocks continue to mention his shooting as hurting him, and it has coincided with his slide, so I’ve been pretty confident that again that’s largely what the issue has been.

Like yourself for this reason is why I’ve been more optimistic than most a return isn’t a crazy idea…if he’s getting no promises and is graded as late 1st/early 2nd say 25-35, then I think he absolutely could benefit off a return, but obviously he’s betting on himself in that scenario. If he were to return and shoot just 55% from 2, 38% from deep and 80% from the lines on the same shot volume you’re talking about 16ppg, if he does that on a team that would almost certainly be a preseason Top 5 pick he would be getting tons of attention and gotta think his stock would almost certainly rise back up into that Top 20 range. Difference in money from from 30 to 20 over first 3 years is $5m to $7m, so while potentially $2m difference. Yes his missed out on first year but either way you’re at about the same amount, so a decent NIL deal and getting yourself into the Top 20 could make sense.
 
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cncchris33 said:
25th to Brooklyn in Kyle Boone's update on CBS...
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I don’t get the quote about his decision making skills I haven’t seen anything from KC in a while that seemed like he didn’t make smart decisions. Early on I agree but he always seems to make the right play now and be in the correct position defensively. Seems like a strength now more than anything.
 
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SJAVol32 said:
I don’t get the quote about his decision making skills I haven’t seen anything from KC in a while that seemed like he didn’t make smart decisions. Early on I agree but he always seems to make the right play now and be in the correct position defensively. Seems like a strength now more than anything.
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Yeah, I disagree with that line as well. He's also made huge strides as a distributor, and there are at least 3-4 passes a game he makes that are elite and would lead to point in the NBA, but don't here because our posts fumble the ball and have to re-establish position because Kennedy catches them by surprise with the dish.
 
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Pretty sure somebody will take him in the first round and that’s guaranteed millions. He certainly has the game to play in the league. My only question about him is his size and withstanding the pounding and the grind that NBA players have to take. Pretty grueling and those guys are grown men. Same with Chet Holmgren. Seven feet and immensely talented but he literally weighs 180 pounds.
 
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Right now there appears to be a lot of uncertainty regarding his potential draft positions. The NCAA tournament and his level and consistency of play will go a long way towards determining his predicted draft position.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
The knock I’ve seen is that he doesn’t break down defensive sets well, doesn’t make advanced reads, and doesn’t perform well against elite defenders.
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I know he’s had turnover and free throw issues this season but it’s funny they believe that, considering he scored 17, 17, and 19 against Kentucky and hit 5 threes against Arkansas to end the season. Also scored 19 at LSU. But I guess those aren’t good defensive teams 🤷‍♂️
 
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Delmar said:
Pretty sure somebody will take him in the first round and that’s guaranteed millions. He certainly has the game to play in the league. My only question about him is his size and withstanding the pounding and the grind that NBA players have to take. Pretty grueling and those guys are grown men. Same with Chet Holmgren. Seven feet and immensely talented but he literally weighs 180 pounds.
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Holmgren = Bust in the NBA
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
^^^ I agree with everything you said above. It’s my belief/understanding that probably 90% of what is hurting Chandler’s stock (from a fixable i.e not growing taller) standpoint is his shooting, and really shooting across the board. If that is incorrect and it is something else or a combination of other things hurting him then I’ll take that L and be wrong, I’ve just not seen it mentioned what those things are. I can’t imagine it’s his measurables because his stock was higher preseason/early in the year, so it has to be something in regards to his play. All of the write ups from these folks doing mocks continue to mention his shooting as hurting him, and it has coincided with his slide, so I’ve been pretty confident that again that’s largely what the issue has been.

Like yourself for this reason is why I’ve been more optimistic than most a return isn’t a crazy idea…if he’s getting no promises and is graded as late 1st/early 2nd say 25-35, then I think he absolutely could benefit off a return, but obviously he’s betting on himself in that scenario. If he were to return and shoot just 55% from 2, 38% from deep and 80% from the lines on the same shot volume you’re talking about 16ppg, if he does that on a team that would almost certainly be a preseason Top 5 pick he would be getting tons of attention and gotta think his stock would almost certainly rise back up into that Top 20 range. Difference in money from from 30 to 20 over first 3 years is $5m to $7m, so while potentially $2m difference. Yes his missed out on first year but either way you’re at about the same amount, so a decent NIL deal and getting yourself into the Top 20 could make sense.
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If Barnes can turn Kevin Punter into a 22ppg scorer then I think he can Chandler into at least a 18-20ppg scorer at minimum. If he comes back and does that and then he may get considered for the top spot.
 
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