Kentucky and Indiana series is ending. (Disagreement on location)

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This ties into the Coach Cal wanting to drop one of their OOC yearly rivals also, doesn't it?
 
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That's two straight stops that Calipari has preferred to end a traditional rivalry if the game couldn't be moved away from campus. It's just that UM didn't finally drop the UT series until after he left. Next year's game would have been at Rupp, and presumably, UK will be better in 2014 than in 2013. Seems like a useless time to drop it.
 
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2 good reasons: Money and Recruiting. Cal getting a "home" game at Lucas Oil is great for recruiting. UK has secured Lucas Oil for a December game. If Indiana won't come, maybe they'll land a different fish. We'll see.
 
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Brian McCat said:
2 good reasons: Money and Recruiting. Cal getting a "home" game at Lucas Oil is great for recruiting. UK has secured Lucas Oil for a December game. If Indiana won't come, maybe they'll land a different fish. We'll see.
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+1
 
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Brian McCat said:
2 good reasons: Money and Recruiting. Cal getting a "home" game at Lucas Oil is great for recruiting. UK has secured Lucas Oil for a December game. If Indiana won't come, maybe they'll land a different fish. We'll see.
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Indiana already played at Lucas Oil. And they filled it up. And they were terrible at the time.

The only thing this hurts are the fans.
 
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doozer said:
I wouldn't want to play IU anymore either.
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Right?!

All of a sudden indiana is back, #1 team pre season next year, and cal puts an end to the series.

What's wrong with the home/home? Not like Lexington puts out major recruits, so IU coming in doesn't do much. Actually UK would have more to gain recruiting wise it would seem by playing at Indiana.

Is cal atleast keeping UNC, and UL series or are those next?
 
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Cal didn't end anything. IU was just as stubborn. There WAS a verbal agreement reached about a month ago for a neutral court series, but IU reneged.

BTW UK kicked IU's ass in the Sweet 16 this year.

The game would have been at Rupp. Some might say that Crean wanted out.
 
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Indiana was just as stubborn from what I've heard. The game would have been at Rupp this year, probably affected the situation imo.
 
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It has been a home and home, Cal wanted to make it neutral and Indiana wanted to keep it as is.

Seems to me calipari was trying to get out of it, why change the site all of a sudden?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
It has been a home and home, Cal wanted to make it neutral and Indiana wanted to keep it as is.

Seems to me calipari was trying to get out of it, but I dont expect UK fans to admit that.
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I don't think Cal was trying to get out of it. He's a stubborn guy and if he doesn't get his way he'll just drop it. I don't understand why it was a problem about the location for either teams, stupid to me.
 
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BigPapaCat said:
I don't think Cal was trying to get out of it. He's a stubborn guy and if he doesn't get his way he'll just drop it. I don't understand why it was a problem about the location for either teams, stupid to me.
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I was trying to post the quote but it wasn't working, barnhart said, " I don't think he (John calipari) was really thrilled abouy going back to Bloomington".

That's wrong IMO. Play the damn game like it has been, it's a great series and this years game was epic. Indiana should have the #1 team next year, play them just like they played you.
 
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It is sad to see them disagree other the small issues and miss the big picture. Both teams would probably be top 3 (at least 5) if they met. I'm kinda p'od but I can understand why each had their reasons.

I have a question. Who makes these decisions to schedule games?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
It has been a home and home, Cal wanted to make it neutral and Indiana wanted to keep it as is.

Seems to me calipari was trying to get out of it, why change the site all of a sudden?
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I wish everyone would just fact check a little bit. It was played at Neutral sites, Freedom Hall and RCA dome from 1991-2005. Indiana got their way in changing it to a home/home, when their program was mediocre as hell and they knew home court would help. Now it is time to renegotiate, and they would rather take their pin striped ball and go home instead of play in a venue where their fans cannot rush the court and act like children. It is a border rival, not a conference rival. It makes perfect sense to split the tickets down the middle in a huge venue.

EDIT: I will add that there was a scheduling conflict with Freedom Hall, and they could not play there. They were forced to go home and home, which is the only reason it is the way it is now.
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
I wish everyone would just fact check a little bit. It was played at Neutral sites, Freedom Hall and RCA dome from 1991-2005. Indiana got their way in changing it to a home/home, when their program was mediocre as hell and they knew home court would help. Now it is time to renegotiate, and they would rather take their pin striped ball and go home instead of play in a venue where their fans cannot rush the court and act like children. It is a border rival, not a conference rival. It makes perfect sense to split the tickets down the middle in a huge venue.
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BOOOOOOOM!

nice to see you hardwood. I've been in the zone too much lately.
 
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Not to mention, a program with 5 national titles who takes the time out to make a trophy stand and mural centered around a a regular season win against UK is stupid as well.
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
I wish everyone would just fact check a little bit. It was played at Neutral sites, Freedom Hall and RCA dome from 1991-2005. Indiana got their way in changing it to a home/home, when their program was mediocre as hell and they knew home court would help. Now it is time to renegotiate, and they would rather take their pin striped ball and go home instead of play in a venue where their fans cannot rush the court and act like children. It is a border rival, not a conference rival. It makes perfect sense to split the tickets down the middle in a huge venue.

EDIT: I will add that there was a scheduling conflict with Freedom Hall, and they could not play there. They were forced to go home and home, which is the only reason it is the way it is now.
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It was home and home from 76-86 as well according to that article, unless I'm reading it wrong.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
It was home and home from 76-86 as well according to that article, unless I'm reading it wrong.
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Yes it was, and before that it had been neutral as well. It has flip flopped over the last half century. My point, as always, is that everyone goes to the extreme of "Cal is a punk, he lost at bloomington that is why he backed out, it's always been a home and home, etc etc." It had been neutral for almost 15 years, and would have stayed neutral if not for a scheduling conflict. Cal also stated that one of the three home and homes (IU, UNC, Louisville) would have to go after the season, which was said BEFORE the season started and UK lost to IU.

Listening to some people around here talk about basketball and its history is like listening to a landscaper give a lecture about heart surgery, they sometimes have no effing clue what they are talking about.
 
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Also, it is Indiana who broke the verbal agreement that was in place. Per AD Mitch Barnhart.
We are extremely disappointed in Indiana’s decision to end our annual men’s basketball series. We were under the impression that we were in continued negotiations with Indiana University on signing a two-year contract to play the annual game at neutral sites. After the NCAA Championships, both schools verbally agreed in principle to play for two years at neutral sites (December 8, 2012 and December 7 or 14, 2013) and agreed to revisit campus sites upon completion of the two-year deal. The public comments by Indiana prior to today over the last week led us to believe that our previous verbal agreement could be in jeopardy, but at no point did we ever have any mutual discussions with Indiana to end the series. We were contacted by Indiana today shortly before 2 p.m. ET and informed that due to our desire to move to neutral sites they were moving on for the 2012-13 season and would revisit continuing the series at a later date. Our desire to play the series at a neutral site was due mainly to the success of the series from 1992-2006. It allowed the fans of both schools to enjoy the experience of one of the greatest rivalries every year. Everyone that watched or attended those games said it was a great atmosphere for college basketball. We looked at this as an opportunity to recapture that atmosphere and unfortunately it ended today.”
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I love the elitist attitude of some Kentucky fans. Guess IU will just have to wait until Atlanta next year.
 
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