Kentucky extends Mark Stoops' contract through 2027

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AthensVol2007 said:
A coach will not be on the hot seat after 2 years. We will lose next year to one of two teams that we beat by a combined 70 pts this year, despite having the most decimated roster in CFB? Go back under your bridge you belligerent troll.
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I hear it every year and every year I’m right.
 
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HangmanPage said:
That’s fine but Tennessee still has to play those teams. We know you have no chance at beating Alabama, Florida, and Georgia. So that’s 3 losses right off the bat. Then you will lose to LSU and have another loss you shouldn’t have whether that be Missouri or South Carolina. Because of your unreasonably high expectations Heupel will then be on the hot seat for absolutely no reason. The cycle continues.
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HangmanPage said:
The issue with this is Tennessee isn’t likely to change. We know Heupel will go 7-6 or 8-5 this year followed by another 7-5 season in which he will be on the hot seat immediately because that’s what happens in that fan base. Then they will fire him for some mid tier guy and the cycle continues. Kentucky will get 1-2 every 5-6 years but they will ultimately lose more than they win in this rivalry because that’s just what happens.

And I’m not trying to be a dick but you all are your own worst enemy. You have Alabama expectations but the last 20 years you’ve been South Carolina.
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Are you pounding your chest about Kentucky while at the same time admitting you will lose 2/3 of the games you play against us?

You see I am not trying to be a dick here but this is the problem with your fan base. Giving coaches automatic extensions for winning 7 games. Most absurdly low expectations I have ever heard any fan base admit to. Hell even the administration admits it with this contract.
 
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HangmanPage said:
The dude has beaten Tennessee more than any coach since the bear and it’s somehow “great news for us”
😂😂😂
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Lol. The dude has a losing record against Botch Jones and Cornbread Pruitt. He couldn’t even beat us this year when he was ranked, had beaten LSU and UF and we only had 70 scholarship players.

Please explain how this isn’t great news.
 
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HangmanPage said:
The issue with this is Tennessee isn’t likely to change. We know Heupel will go 7-6 or 8-5 this year followed by another 7-5 season in which he will be on the hot seat immediately because that’s what happens in that fan base. Then they will fire him for some mid tier guy and the cycle continues. Kentucky will get 1-2 every 5-6 years but they will ultimately lose more than they win in this rivalry because that’s just what happens.

And I’m not trying to be a dick but you all are your own worst enemy. You have Alabama expectations but the last 20 years you’ve been South Carolina.
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Think about your last sentence. We have been SC level and have still dominated UK. The days of you guys lucking out a win v TN are over.
 
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volfanhill said:
Are you pounding your chest about Kentucky while at the same time admitting you will lose 2/3 of the games you play against us?

You see I am not trying to be a dick here but this is the problem with your fan base. Giving coaches automatic extensions for winning 7 games. Most absurdly low expectations I have ever heard any fan base admit to. Hell even the administration admits it with this contract.
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I'm not at all bragging about Kentucky. We know what we are and the expectations are low for a reason. Its called being realistic. Kentucky will win 7-8 games most years and with Stoops they will get to 10-11 every 3-4 years. We are fine with that. We want that. Tennessee has absolutely 0 shot of ever being a national powerhouse again yet you hire and fire coaches as if you should have the expectations of an Alabama or Ohio St. You should be striving to be Ole Miss.
 
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HangmanPage said:
The dude has beaten Tennessee more than any coach since the bear and it’s somehow “great news for us”
😂😂😂
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He should be, at a minimum, .500 against us since he took over. Even Vandy managed that (unless they lost to us this year).

This is the worst period for Tennessee football in its history, and he's only managed to go 2-7 against UT. His two victories were against complete garbage teams we fielded (Butch's 4-8 team and Beldar's 3-7 team) and Stoops has somehow managed to lose to us twice with his 2 best teams (2018 and 2021).
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Lol. The dude has a losing record against Botch Jones and Cornbread Pruitt. He couldn’t even beat us this year when he was ranked, had beaten LSU and UF and we only had 70 scholarship players.

Please explain how this isn’t great news.
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I mean odds are Tennessee is never going to have a 5 year streak against Kentucky again as long as he is there and we are happy with that because we know you all expect to beat us every season. So when we do beat you all every 2-3 years its very satisfying. I'm not being a douchebag but thats the situation. We know who we are.
 
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05_never_again said:
He should be, at a minimum, .500 against us since he took over. Even Vandy managed that (unless they lost to us this year).

This is the worst period for Tennessee football in its history, and he's only managed to go 2-7 against UT. His two victories were against complete garbage teams we fielded (Butch's 4-8 team and Beldar's 3-7 team) and Stoops has somehow managed to lose to us twice with his 2 best teams (2018 and 2021).
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I mean he was .500 in the last 4 years leading up to this season. But I get what you are saying. Stoops had no expectation of beating Tennessee the first 3-4 years though because those were rebuilding years. Kentucky has won 65-70% of their games since then.
 
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HangmanPage said:
I mean he was .500 in the last 4 years leading up to this season. But I get what you are saying. Stoops had no expectation of beating Tennessee the first 3-4 years though because those were rebuilding years. Kentucky has won 65-70% of their games since then.
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I disagree - 2013 was both Butch's and Stoops's first year. We were both rebuilding. Granted UK was coming off a 2-10 (0-8) season by Joker the previous year, but both teams/programs sucked at the time.

Then, after Butch was fired, we started rebuilding again yet he only managed to beat Cornbread once in 3 years. He couldn't beat Cornbread in his first season and he had probably their best team in school history. This year, we're rebuilding again, yet he loses to Heupel with yet another good UK team.

He's been good for Kentucky and I think is a pretty good coach, but he's massively overpaid and his record against UT is poo poo given how bad we've been.
 
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05_never_again said:
I disagree - 2013 was both Butch's and Stoops's first year. We were both rebuilding. Granted UK was coming off a 2-10 (0-8) season by Joker the previous year, but both teams/programs sucked at the time.

Then, after Butch was fired, we started rebuilding again yet he only managed to beat Cornbread once in 3 years. He couldn't beat Cornbread in his first season and he had probably their best team in school history. This year, we're rebuilding again, yet he loses to Heupel with yet another good UK team.

He's been good for Kentucky and I think is a pretty good coach, but he's massively overpaid and his record against UT is poo poo given how bad we've been.
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There isn't a single coach in the country who could win 9-10 games at Kentucky twice in 4 years outside of Saban so no I disagree with you about him being overpaid. I'm not saying he is the second best coach in the country but I'm saying he is doing more than any coach at Kentucky could. For instance Heupel would be a 5-6 win coach every year at Kentucky.

Also a rebuild at Tennessee is much different than a rebuild at Kentucky. If Stoops continues to beat Tennessee once every 3 years then Kentucky fans will be happy and Tennessee fans will be upset. It is what it is.
 
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HangmanPage said:
There isn't a single coach in the country who could win 9-10 games at Kentucky twice in 4 years outside of Saban so no I disagree with you about him being overpaid. I'm not saying he is the second best coach in the country but I'm saying he is doing more than any coach at Kentucky could. For instance Heupel would be a 5-6 win coach every year at Kentucky.

Also a rebuild at Tennessee is much different than a rebuild at Kentucky. If Stoops continues to beat Tennessee once every 3 years then Kentucky fans will be happy and Tennessee fans will be upset. It is what it is.
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Really? Heupel took an offense that was totally inept last year and scored a ton of points and won 7 games with transfers and no depth. His offense is really fast and an equalizer when there is a talent differential. I think you sell him short. I think Heupel might do pretty well at a resource-constrained program like UK.

Stoops is overpaid because he's at Kentucky and making top 20 money. He is being paid like a coach that makes SECCGs, which Kentucky never will. Kentucky's football coach, unless he is winning East titles and playing for SEC titles, really shouldn't be making almost $7m/year.

The reason why Stoops being UT only twice in 9 years is bad isn't necessarily because of UK, but because of how bad we've been. If we had been really good over the past several years, then 2-7 against us would be fine. But we haven't been good. Mizzou, Vandy, and South Carolina have much better records against us since 2013 than UK does.
 
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05_never_again said:
Really? Heupel took an offense that was totally inept last year and scored a ton of points and won 7 games with transfers and no depth. His offense is really fast and an equalizer when there is a talent differential. I think you sell him short. I think Heupel might do pretty well at a resource-constrained program like UK.

Stoops is overpaid because he's at Kentucky and making top 20 money. He is being paid like a coach that makes SECCGs, which Kentucky never will. Kentucky's football coach, unless he is winning East titles and playing for SEC titles, really shouldn't be making almost $7m/year.

The reason why Stoops being UT only twice in 9 years is bad isn't necessarily because of UK, but because of how bad we've been. If we had been really good over the past several years, then 2-7 against us would be fine. But we haven't been good. Mizzou, Vandy, and South Carolina have much better records against us since 2013 than UK does.
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Heupel took over a roster littered with 4 stars. I don't need to hear or feel sorry for the "terrible" situation he inherited. I've seen Heuepel at Kentucky. Their names were Mike Leach and Hal Mumme and they won 6-7 games a year and couldn't defend. I don't want to see that at Kentucky ever again. The way Stoops is recruiting (13th ranked class in the country) and the way his system is set up (balanced offense with good defensive and offensive lines) is the only way to win the way he is at Kentucky.

Stoops is a top 20 coach so he deserves top 20 money.
 
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HangmanPage said:
Heupel took over a roster littered with 4 stars. I don't need to hear or feel sorry for the "terrible" situation he inherited. I've seen Heuepel at Kentucky. Their names were Mike Leach and Hal Mumme and they won 6-7 games a year and couldn't defend. I don't want to see that at Kentucky ever again. The way Stoops is recruiting (13th ranked class in the country) and the way his system is set up (balanced offense with good defensive and offensive lines) is the only way to win the way he is at Kentucky.

Stoops is a top 20 coach so he deserves top 20 money.
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How would you explain Mizzou, South Carolina, and especially Vandy's success against UT over the same timeframe? None of those schools recruit as well as UT, or even UK for that matter. Also, UK and just about every team in the country had more depth than UT this year. UT lost 35 players to the Portal last offseason.

Are you a Kentucky fan? The inability for them to say "Yeah, he hasn't been good against UT" is hilarious to me.
 
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05_never_again said:
How would you explain Mizzou, South Carolina, and especially Vandy's success against UT over the same timeframe? None of those schools recruit as well as UT, or even UK for that matter. Also, UK and just about every team in the country had more depth than UT this year. UT lost 35 players to the Portal last offseason.

Are you a Kentucky fan? The inability for them to say "Yeah, he hasn't been good against UT" is hilarious to me.
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Up until 5 years ago Kentucky was struggling to recruit. So Car and Missouri haven't struggled to recruit. Since recruiting has picked up he is 2-3 against UT. Which is better than any coach at Kentucky in 60 years during a 5 year span. I'm not sure how that is bad by our standards. Also again I don't really care how many players Tennessee lost. You still have a roster littered with 4 stars. I shouldn't be asked to feel sorry for your administrations short comings.
 
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HangmanPage said:
The issue with this is Tennessee isn’t likely to change. We know Heupel will go 7-6 or 8-5 this year followed by another 7-5 season in which he will be on the hot seat immediately because that’s what happens in that fan base. Then they will fire him for some mid tier guy and the cycle continues. Kentucky will get 1-2 every 5-6 years but they will ultimately lose more than they win in this rivalry because that’s just what happens.

And I’m not trying to be a dick but you all are your own worst enemy. You have Alabama expectations but the last 20 years you’ve been South Carolina.
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In the last 20 years we’ve been to 3 SEC Championship games (yes, we admittedly lost those,) and won 7 bowl games. How many Championship games or bowl games has Kentucky or South Carolina been to or won in 20 years?
 
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HangmanPage said:
I hear it every year and every year I’m right.
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Every year you hear what? Definitely not that a coach should be on the hot seat. Dooley, Butch and Pruitt all started year 3 with a top 25 ranked team so nobody was calling for them to be fired after year 2.
 
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WestTennesseeVol said:
In the last 20 years we’ve been to 3 SEC Championship games (yes, we admittedly lost those,) and won 7 bowl games. How many Championship games or bowl games has Kentucky or South Carolina been to or won in 20 years?
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Kentucky's won 6 bowl games and South Carolina won 7.

South Carolina also has 3 11 win seasons
Tennessee has 1 and 3 10 win seasons
 
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HangmanPage said:
Up until 5 years ago Kentucky was struggling to recruit. So Car and Missouri haven't struggled to recruit. Since recruiting has picked up he is 2-3 against UT. Which is better than any coach at Kentucky in 60 years during a 5 year span. I'm not sure how that is bad by our standards. Also again I don't really care how many players Tennessee lost. You still have a roster littered with 4 stars. I shouldn't be asked to feel sorry for your administrations short comings.
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Pull up the star ratings for Tennessee's starters this year, particularly our top contributors on offense and defense. I think you'll be surprised.

You overstate how talented and deep UT's program is right now, probably because UT dominates the all-time series and y'all are so used to losing to UT, but look at this year's roster.
 
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05_never_again said:
Pull up the star ratings for Tennessee's starters this year, particular our top contributors on offense and defense. I think you'll be surprised.

You overstate how talented and deep UT's program is right now, probably because UT dominates the all-time series and y'all are so used to losing to UT, but look at this year's roster.
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Tennessee is 19th nationally in team talent composite and 7th in the SEC.
Kentucky is 31st nationally and 12th in the SEC.

I think you are undervaluing the fact that your team is still 2 deep with 4 star talent. So I ask...which coach is really underperforming? Because to me it seems like one coach turned a national doormat in terms of talent into a top 25 team and the other took a top 20 ranked team in terms of talent and flirted with .500
 
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