Kentucky extends Mark Stoops' contract through 2027

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HangmanPage said:
Kentucky's won 6 bowl games and South Carolina won 7.

South Carolina also has 3 11 win seasons
Tennessee has 1 and 3 10 win seasons
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And we have won most of our games against South Carolina and Kentucky in the past 20 years. So if 20 years is your metric, we are definitely way ahead of both Kentucky and South Carolina
 
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WestTennesseeVol said:
And we have won most of our games against South Carolina and Kentucky in the past 20 years. So if 20 years is your metric, we are definitely way ahead of both Kentucky and South Carolina
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Of course you are better than South Carolina (maybe) and Kentucky over the 20 year period. But in terms of national perception Tennessee is an underperforming program.
 
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HangmanPage said:
Of course you are better than South Carolina (maybe) and Kentucky over the 20 year period. But in terms of national perception Tennessee is an underperforming program.
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But you didn’t say current National perception, you said over the course of the last 20 years.
 
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HangmanPage said:
Tennessee is 19th nationally in team talent composite and 7th in the SEC.
Kentucky is 31st nationally and 12th in the SEC.

I think you are undervaluing the fact that your team is still 2 deep with 4 star talent. So I ask...which coach is really underperforming?
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You said we have a roster "littered with 4 stars." We have 26, you have 21. That's hardly a big difference. You also have 63 3-stars compared to our 48 (to my point about the roster being gutted, which you don't think is a big deal). UT only has 3 5-stars on the roster, including one (Aubrey Solomon) who is a transfer who busted and barely saw the field this year.

Our leading rusher, 3 leading WRs, 5 leading tacklers, and 2 leading sack-getters this season are all 3-stars.

UK's roster this year, believe it or not, was deeper than UT's.
 
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WestTennesseeVol said:
But you didn’t say current National perception, you said over the course of the last 20 years.
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National perception takes into account the fact that Tennessee is viewed as a team that takes 4 and 5 star talent and struggles every year to stay above .500

That is what I am referring to. Not where Tennessee stands in the pecking order as far as Kentucky and South Carolina go
 
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05_never_again said:
You said we have a roster "littered with 4 stars." We have 26, you have 21. That's hardly a big difference. You also have 63 3-stars compared to our 48 (to my point about the roster being gutted, which you don't think is a big deal). UT only has 3 5-stars on the roster, including one (Aubrey Solomon) who is a transfer who busted and barely saw the field this year.

Our leading rusher, 3 leading WRs, 5 leading tacklers, and 2 leading sack-getters are all 3-stars.

UK's roster this year, believe it or not, was deeper than UT's.
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Sure it was deeper but who cares about depth when they are low 3 stars? Think about that for a second. Tennessee at its low point has 26 4 stars. You are making my point for me.
 
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HangmanPage said:
National perception takes into account the fact that Tennessee is viewed as a team that takes 4 and 5 star talent and struggles every year to stay above .500

That is what I am referring to. Not where Tennessee stands in the pecking order as far as Kentucky and South Carolina go
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You could just type less than say you’re wrong about your 20 year statement instead of moving the goal posts on “what you meant”
 
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WestTennesseeVol said:
You could just type less than say you’re wrong about your 20 year statement instead of moving the goal posts on “what you meant”
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So you feel that for the last 20 years Tennessee has exceeded expectations nationally? I mean that certainly is an interesting take I'll give you that.
 
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HangmanPage said:
So you feel that for the last 20 years Tennessee has exceeded expectations nationally? I mean that certainly is an interesting take I'll give you that.
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Once again, not what you stated in your original post, and once again, you’re moving the goal posts of your argument to a different point of discussion. Have a good one.
 
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HangmanPage said:
Sure it was deeper but who cares about depth when they are low 3 stars? Think about that for a second. Tennessee at its low point has 26 4 stars. You are making my point for me.
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Dude - Tennessee has a bunch of 3-stars too! You are acting as though UT has some huge group of high-end 4 star talent on the team.

We have only 5 more 4-star recruits than you, and you have way more 3-stars than UT does, which is where both teams' depth comes from at the moment.

You're trying to make it seem like UT's roster has depth that slots us in right behind Alabama or UGA or something.
 
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WestTennesseeVol said:
Once again, not what you stated in your original post, and once again, you’re moving the goal posts of your argument to a different point of discussion. Have a good one.
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I said that for 20 years the program has been disappointing. I never made another claim.
 
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05_never_again said:
Dude - Tennessee has a bunch of 3-stars too! You are acting as though UT has some huge group of high-end 4 star talent on the team.

We have only 5 more 4-star recruits than you, and you have way more 3-stars than UT does, which is where both teams' depth comes from at the moment.

You're trying to make it seem like UT's roster has depth that slots us in right behind Alabama or UGA or something.
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Yes but what I'm saying is Tennessee should be doing better than 7-5 and 6-6. Kentucky is beating Florida with 21 4 stars. Tennessee should be beating Florida on occasion and competing for the east just as Kentucky is (and more often).
 
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HangmanPage said:
Yes but what I'm saying is Tennessee should be doing better than 7-5 and 6-6. Kentucky is beating Florida with 21 4 stars. Tennessee should be beating Florida on occasion and competing for the east just as Kentucky is (and more often).
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That's a completely different argument, separate from this discussion, and I agree with you there.

Of course UT should have beaten UF more. We don't because we have the same mental hangup with UF that UK has with us.
 
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05_never_again said:
That's a completely different argument, separate from this discussion, and I agree with you there.

Of course UT should have beaten UF more. We don't because we have the same mental hangup with UF that UK has with us.
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And thats my point.

Kentucky fans don't expect to be winning 9, 10, 11 games a year. This isn't our expectation and we've never had a coach who could reach our expectations every single season and exceed them most seasons. So for us....no Mark Stoops isn't over paid. Most Kentucky fans want him to get paid more because we know that if he ever leaves we will struggle again. Think about this. If we had a 12 team playoff this year Kentucky would have been in the conversation most of the year to get one of those 12 spots. If they had won against either Miss St or Tennessee they'd be in the 12 team playoff. That's insane to us and we are excited about the future. Do you not find that insane? Thats why Mark Stoops isn't over paid. And at some point when the 12 team playoff is implemented Kentucky will have a year where they get into it. That would never even be a hope or a dream without Mark Stoops.
 
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HangmanPage said:
There isn't a single coach in the country who could win 9-10 games at Kentucky twice in 4 years outside of Saban so no I disagree with you about him being overpaid. I'm not saying he is the second best coach in the country but I'm saying he is doing more than any coach at Kentucky could. For instance Heupel would be a 5-6 win coach every year at Kentucky.

Also a rebuild at Tennessee is much different than a rebuild at Kentucky. If Stoops continues to beat Tennessee once every 3 years then Kentucky fans will be happy and Tennessee fans will be upset. It is what it is.
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Lol you are an awful UK troll as your history says
 
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HangmanPage said:
That’s fine but Tennessee still has to play those teams. We know you have no chance at beating Alabama, Florida, and Georgia. So that’s 3 losses right off the bat. Then you will lose to LSU and have another loss you shouldn’t have whether that be Missouri or South Carolina. Because of your unreasonably high expectations Heupel will then be on the hot seat for absolutely no reason. The cycle continues.
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If we "know" that Tennessee is going to lose to Florida, because that's what normally happens ... then we also "know" that Tennessee will beat Kentucky...

... and there is no basis for assuming that Tennessee will lose to either Missouri or South Carolina next season. Tennessee won those games by 38 and 25 points this season. You are being troll-ish.
 
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HangmanPage said:
And thats my point.

Kentucky fans don't expect to be winning 9, 10, 11 games a year. This isn't our expectation and we've never had a coach who could reach our expectations every single season and exceed them most seasons. So for us....no Mark Stoops isn't over paid. Most Kentucky fans want him to get paid more because we know that if he ever leaves we will struggle again. Think about this. If we had a 12 team playoff this year Kentucky would have been in the conversation most of the year to get one of those 12 spots. If they had won against either Miss St or Tennessee they'd be in the 12 team playoff. That's insane to us and we are excited about the future. Do you not find that insane? Thats why Mark Stoops isn't over paid. And at some point when the 12 team playoff is implemented Kentucky will have a year where they get into it. That would never even be a hope or a dream without Mark Stoops.
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Mark Stoops is 2-7 vs Tennessee during the worst stretch in program history. There is no reason for Tennessee fans to respect him. His teams are only capable of beating Tennessee during seasons in which UT players have already quit on their head coach... such as 2017 and 2020, when the head coach was fired.

If you want to read posts which are respectful of your football program, you are on the wrong site. Tennessee's 82-26-9 series lead over Kentucky, makes it the most lopsided series in SEC history, with a minimum of 100 games played. Kentucky has beaten Tennessee a grand total of 3 times since 1985. Wow.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Mark Stoops is 2-7 vs Tennessee during the worst stretch in program history. There is no reason for Tennessee fans to respect him. His teams are only capable of beating Tennessee during seasons in which UT players have already quit on their head coach... such as 2017 and 2020, when the head coach was fired.

If you want to read posts which are respectful of your football program, you are on the wrong site. Tennessee's 82-26-9 series lead over Kentucky, makes it the most lopsided series in SEC history, with a minimum of 100 games played. Kentucky has beaten Tennessee a grand total of 3 times since 1986. Wow.
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I too like to lie to myself
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
If we "know" that Tennessee is going to lose to Florida, because that's what normally happens ... then we also "know" that Tennessee will beat Kentucky...

... and there is no basis for assuming that Tennessee will lose to either Missouri or South Carolina next season. Tennessee won those games by 38 and 25 points this season. You are being troll-ish.
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The basis is the previous 20 years of inconsistency. I am going to have an answer for every reply.
 
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HangmanPage said:
And thats my point.

Kentucky fans don't expect to be winning 9, 10, 11 games a year. This isn't our expectation and we've never had a coach who could reach our expectations every single season and exceed them most seasons. So for us....no Mark Stoops isn't over paid. Most Kentucky fans want him to get paid more because we know that if he ever leaves we will struggle again. Think about this. If we had a 12 team playoff this year Kentucky would have been in the conversation most of the year to get one of those 12 spots. If they had won against either Miss St or Tennessee they'd be in the 12 team playoff. That's insane to us and we are excited about the future. Do you not find that insane? Thats why Mark Stoops isn't over paid. And at some point when the 12 team playoff is implemented Kentucky will have a year where they get into it. That would never even be a hope or a dream without Mark Stoops.
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uk is a losing program with loser fans. Including you
 
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