Kerry Comments...

#51
#51
It is too late now. You simply cannot make a joke about troops a week before elections. It is poor taste and poor judgement.
 
#52
#52
I'm a Democrat and supported Kerry in '04, but I won't in '08. Its not because of the substance of what he said, its because he's an idiot for saying it and then doubly an idiot for lying about it.

Kerry said what he said because he views this war as analogous to Vietnam, when there was a draft, and where education deferments were a pouplar way of getting out of going to war. Back then, if you did not navigate the educational system then you had a better chance of "getting stuck" in Vietnam.

Kerry was not, IMO, talking about Bush. He was talking about troops in Iraq and it was a stupid comment since we have an AVF, now.

What he should have done is say that he did not mean to say that the tropps there now are not inteeligent or that they are unedeucated, that he is sorry if he gave that impression, and that he was thinking in terms of the fact that if you have a draft then those who are not participating in the educational system will end up disproportiantely being the ones doing the fighting, whether its Iraq in a few more years, or some other hot spot occassioned by our current occupation of Iraq.

That would have shut up the Republicans because the implication woul be that, given the way Rumsfeld has both coducted the war and reduced troop levels, then some day we may find ourselves where we do have to press people into military service.
 
#53
#53
lawgator1 said:
I'm a Democrat and supported Kerry in '04, but I won't in '08. Its not because of the substance of what he said, its because he's an idiot for saying it and then doubly an idiot for lying about it.
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You hit the nail on the head LG.
 
#54
#54
cibai said:
The comments were dumb, mostly because they were A) ineffective, and B) not funny. even if it is a joke, its a lame one. But, no Kerry is NOT clearly insulting the soldiers in Iraq, but if you choose to believe that then you have lost all sense of perspective. :good!:
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It is blown out of proportion but that seems to be the sport called politics. You can't criticize one-side for doing it while not criticizing the other for it.

Kerry stepped into the reality of politics. If it were reversed, the dems would be raising holy hell about it.
 
#55
#55
MG1968 said:
interesting how someone living in texas would notice that and think it significant somehow.
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Bear in mind that I realize I was being juvenile in my reply, but I don't get your joke. If you are trying to "get me" by dogging Texas, you better pick another strategy.
 
#57
#57
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#58
#58
vader said:
Bear in mind that I realize I was being juvenile in my reply, but I don't get your joke. If you are trying to "get me" by dogging Texas, you better pick another strategy.
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nah, Texas is a pretty nice state.
 
#59
#59
therealUT said:
Are you seriously asking this question? Even the democrats are upset with Kerry over these comments.
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ok, get ready; you may not be prepared to recieve these comments, or your political allignment may not allow you to COMFORTABLY recieve them, but I am going to speak the truth, and I only pray that some of you will recieve them to a degree that will inspire you to dig deeper to verify their legitamacy. So here goes..

John Kerry, along with a number of other freely thinking Americans whose views are largely suppressed by the corporate-guided mainstream media, UNDERSTANDS the dispicable nature of this administration's policies and practices here and abroad. His comments from a few days ago, so much in question now, are unfortunate only in his delivery of them. His speech writers gave him something to say, but he screwed up the delivery of the words in such a way that those who wanted/needed to seize upon them for political gain were likely on their knees, thanking the "God of Mispoken Words" that what Kerry said might help the GOP retain control of the House of Representatives (and Senate?) so that George Bush (and his band of criminals - namely Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Condoleeza Rice and others) may continue to rule as a monarch in the aftermath of 9/11, continuing his destruction of habeus corpus, due process, American civil liberties and anything else that stands in the way of the ultimate objective: American global imperialism.

Put simply, rogue elements within the Bush administration want to put themselves in a position to rule the world without challenge and, by the way, line their pockets (re-enter Dick Cheney) to the max as they go.

John Kerry is not the smartest of orators, but I have genuine pity for those who cannot see the truth of this matter. Kerry misspoke, and it is unfortunate, but which is worse? George Bush is a complicit player in a scheme to achieve global domination, and the simple truth from a Republican perspective, where it relates to this current event, is this: "Maybe Kerry's words - if Karl Rove and the gang can sufficiently distort them and convince a majority of voters that our ******** interpretation of them is accurate - can help us retain control after next week's mid-term elections, and we'll do and say anything necessary to take advantage of his honest mistake, or any other opportunity that presents itself, so that we can continue our haenous objectives, domestically and abroad.

Some will disagree with my interpretation of things, but I have never been more certain of anything in my life.

I have written in somewhat broad terms here, but if anyone would like to discuss any of the points I have touched upon, I am more than prepared and happy to hash them out. Thanks.

GO VOLS!
 
#60
#60
towards the end of Clinton's second term, some of that same garbage was muttered by right wing wackos. somehow, slick willie would circumvent Constitutional authority to remain in office beyond his second term.

I think conspiracy theories are fun to play with and rant about in dark places. but as far as I can tell, "world domination" is pretty difficult to achieve. If what is going on is viewed as "American Global Imperialism" then perhaps you need a more definitive example of what true Imperialism is.
 
#61
#61
All Vol! said:
Some will disagree with my interpretation of things, but I have never been more certain of anything in my life.
GO VOLS!
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I agree with ya..

"I can't overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq."...

That's what he meant to say. Now, I wish Kerry would just go away and stop hurting the Dems, I'm starting to think he's a closet Republican.
 
#62
#62
so, back in the 70's, during Winter Soldier, Kerry didn't really mean to say that they all committed atrocities in a style reminiscent of "Genghis Khan".

c'mon, liberals are only too willing to hang someone based on their past. yet when a liberal's past is brought up, he or she is automatically given a pass, the messenger is shot, and new talking points are handed out.

Kerry said what he intended to say and had this been an era of only 3 major news outlets, he would have gotten away with it. Liberals, for all their supposed superior intellect, still fail to account for the new media.
 
#63
#63
OWB said:
I agree with ya..

"I can't overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq."...

That's what he meant to say. Now, I wish Kerry would just away and stop hurting the Dems, I'm starting to think he's a Republican.
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Here is the real problem I have with the statement. I know plenty of idiots that are still in the states. In all seriousness though, there are many opportunities in this economy for people who do not attend college. If we were to take this comment one step further it could easily be an indictment of public education and the NEA, who refuses to make necessary imporvements to the public educational system without the help of legislation.
 
#64
#64
All Vol! said:
ok, get ready; you may not be prepared to recieve these comments, or your political allignment may not allow you to COMFORTABLY recieve them, but I am going to speak the truth, and I only pray that some of you will recieve them to a degree that will inspire you to dig deeper to verify their legitamacy. So here goes..

John Kerry, along with a number of other freely thinking Americans whose views are largely suppressed by the corporate-guided mainstream media, UNDERSTANDS the dispicable nature of this administration's policies and practices here and abroad. His comments from a few days ago, so much in question now, are unfortunate only in his delivery of them. His speech writers gave him something to say, but he screwed up the delivery of the words in such a way that those who wanted/needed to seize upon them for political gain were likely on their knees, thanking the "God of Mispoken Words" that what Kerry said might help the GOP retain control of the House of Representatives (and Senate?) so that George Bush (and his band of criminals - namely Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Condoleeza Rice and others) may continue to rule as a monarch in the aftermath of 9/11, continuing his destruction of habeus corpus, due process, American civil liberties and anything else that stands in the way of the ultimate objective: American global imperialism.

Put simply, rogue elements within the Bush administration want to put themselves in a position to rule the world without challenge and, by the way, line their pockets (re-enter Dick Cheney) to the max as they go.

John Kerry is not the smartest of orators, but I have genuine pity for those who cannot see the truth of this matter. Kerry misspoke, and it is unfortunate, but which is worse? George Bush is a complicit player in a scheme to achieve global domination, and the simple truth from a Republican perspective, where it relates to this current event, is this: "Maybe Kerry's words - if Karl Rove and the gang can sufficiently distort them and convince a majority of voters that our ******** interpretation of them is accurate - can help us retain control after next week's mid-term elections, and we'll do and say anything necessary to take advantage of his honest mistake, or any other opportunity that presents itself, so that we can continue our haenous objectives, domestically and abroad.

Some will disagree with my interpretation of things, but I have never been more certain of anything in my life.

I have written in somewhat broad terms here, but if anyone would like to discuss any of the points I have touched upon, I am more than prepared and happy to hash them out. Thanks.

GO VOLS!
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Not even sure if I can argue with you, since you believe that Bush is trying to conquer the world...

However, if conquest was Bush's goal, don't you feel we would have used our overwhelming military superiority in order to conquer Iraq and Afghanistan, and then quickly moved on to Iran, North Korea, Syria, etc? Instead we are using limited warfare policies and COIN tactics in order to limit civilian casualties in both countries.

Also, Habeus Corpus is allowed to be restriced (and completely prohibited) by the Constitution, in times of war. Lincoln suspended it as did FDR.

You might be completely sure of this, however, you can be completely sure and completely wrong. Which, regardless of what you feel about our progress in Iraq, to state that Bush is trying to conquer the world is indeed jaded and ridiculous. Congratulations, you have lost all respect I have for any of your opinions.
 
#65
#65
therealUT said:
Not even sure if I can argue with you, since you believe that Bush is trying to conquer the world...

However, if conquest was Bush's goal, don't you feel we would have used our overwhelming military superiority in order to conquer Iraq and Afghanistan, and then quickly moved on to Iran, North Korea, Syria, etc? Instead we are using limited warfare policies and COIN tactics in order to limit civilian casualties in both countries.

Also, Habeus Corpus is allowed to be restriced (and completely prohibited) by the Constitution, in times of war. Lincoln suspended it as did FDR.

You might be completely sure of this, however, you can be completely sure and completely wrong. Which, regardless of what you feel about our progress in Iraq, to state that Bush is trying to conquer the world is indeed jaded and ridiculous. Congratulations, you have lost all respect I have for any of your opinions.
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If the US were as imperialistic as some choose to believe we would have troops in Syria and Iran right now, and the war in Iraq would have seen casualities (Iraqis in particular) on a scale with the second world war.

At least Kerry has in effect killed his political career outside of his home state.
 
#66
#66
also, if GWB was truly hell bent on world domination, he wouldn't be bending over backwards to try and work within the framework of the United Nations' byzantine and corrupt beauracracy.
 
#67
#67
World Domination???

ROFLMAO

You damn liberals, I swear to God. You get crazier and crazier every year.

I just wish we had wacko conservatives on here to counteract you. I'd love seeing somebody respond by saying Jesus told them to tell you you're wrong.

It's no damn wonder our country is in the shape it is in with people from these two sides of the coin in power.
 
#68
#68
i spent 10yrs in the military and graduated with honors from school. how close was this idiot at being our commander an chief?
 
#72
#72
OWB said:
Like Bush is even smart enough to conquer the world.
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The sad thing about comments like this, is that although liberals will continuously make allegations of Bush's lack of intelligence, yet, they cannot beat the man.

For all the intellectual brilliance that many liberals espouse, they are inable to convert the masses, the great majority of which have been taught in liberal learning instutions...
 
#73
#73
therealUT said:
The sad thing about comments like this, is that although liberals will continuously make allegations of Bush's lack of intelligence, yet, they cannot beat the man.

For all the intellectual brilliance that many liberals espouse, they are inable to convert the masses, the great majority of which have been taught in liberal learning instutions...
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:lolabove: Whatever, if you think that Bush is a rocket scientist, that's your business. I just don't see it.
 
#74
#74
OWB said:
:lolabove: Whatever, if you think that Bush is a rocket scientist, that's your business. I just don't see it.
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I do not think Bush is a rocket scientist. I believe Bush is smarter than John Kerry, John Edwards, and Al Gore.

I believe most of the intellectual giants in America have forsaken the realm of politics, because the political process is so much less about ideas and solutions and more about presentation and pandering.
 
#75
#75
therealUT said:
I do not think Bush is a rocket scientist. I believe Bush is smarter than John Kerry, John Edwards, and Al Gore.
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If by smarter, you mean nastier, I'd have to agree. But just because Bush went for the throats during elections and smeared his opponents names while his opponents actually approached the election process with dignity and pride doesn't make him smarter, just more of a butthole.
 
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