Key to Titans Winning in 2010 Besides D

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#26
volfanjustin said:
I hate to inform you that you are wrong, living in Middle Tenn as you know most of the time the Titans game is the only one on, so I watch every game. Unfortunately.
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Ok then I'm mistaken; it was a fair thing to say that - as a Colts fan - more than likely you wouldnt watch Titans games; or at least - your post seems to indicate this a bit, though I could be misreading - you'd be watching it from a less neutral standpoint and more of being forced to watch a team you could care less for seeing...possibly dislike somewhat too
 
#27
#27
BigOrange15 said:
Then you have no excuse for not seeing his improvement. As I said, in terms of making mental mistakes and overall pocket presence, Vince is far better now than he was last time he saw serious playing time.
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I just don't believe he is that good of a QB, he is one hell of an athlete but not a very good QB. He does not have the tools to be an elite NFL QB, now or ever. He lead the Titans to wins over 8 teams and most of them were not very good. The Titans would win about 3 or 4 games without CJ. Don't get me wrong I hope you all keep him as your starter for a very long time.
 
#28
#28
This year, imo, is a make or break year for Vince. If he under performs, the Titans will start looking for someone to be their new QB. On the other hand, if he comes out and dominates, he will be the starter for a long time and we will focus our draft picks elsewhere. This is all jmo of course.
 
#29
#29
volfanjustin said:
I just don't believe he is that good of a QB, he is one hell of an athlete but not a very good QB. He does not have the tools to be an elite NFL QB, now or ever. He lead the Titans to wins over 8 teams and most of them were not very good. The Titans would win about 3 or 4 games without CJ. Don't get me wrong I hope you all keep him as your starter for a very long time.
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he's not great, but he does provide some sort of "X" factor for the titans in winning some of these games; i'm not sure if it's the ability to run an option, a QB who can run and roll out on short to lengthen drives and shorten games, or whatever but there is something he does

I mean noone here is claiming he's an NFL star; the passing offense did start to work better with him out there though than it was with Collins. The main comparison I have to make is that mainly Johnson put up great yards all year; when he was putting up the great numbers with Collins though, they lost. So. I was getting at earlier, it really can't have been just CJ's performance...there was something that changed on the O side of the ball when they started Young instead and the offense just started working better
 
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volfanjustin said:
I just don't believe he is that good of a QB, he is one hell of an athlete but not a very good QB. He does not have the tools to be an elite NFL QB, now or ever. He lead the Titans to wins over 8 teams and most of them were not very good. The Titans would win about 3 or 4 games without CJ. Don't get me wrong I hope you all keep him as your starter for a very long time.
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Without the offensive POY, the Titans wouldn't have won as many games? Real groundbreaking stuff here. That's like saying the Colts would only win 3-4 games without Peyton.

I'm not sure what you expect VY to do to be good in your eyes. Look at the best Titan teams of the past and you'll see none relied on real strong passing games. It was running and defense. It should be obvious based on how little WR was emphasized in drafts or FA.
 
#31
#31
It looked to me like Vince Young coming in energized our offense. Prior to him getting the start, it just looked like a few players on the offense were just half assing it from time to time. God knows we weren't trying during the game against the Patriots...
 
#32
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BigOrange15 said:
It looked like Vince Young coming in energized our offense. Prior to him getting the start, it just looked like a few players on the offense were just half assing it from time to time. God knows we weren't trying during the game against the Patriots...
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Definitely. The first three games were close losses. The next three were blowouts. I think the players realized Collins wasn't going to turn it around and were happy to see a change. The whole team started playing better. You don't lose 59-0 with just bad QB play.
 
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buckeyevol23 said:
Definitely. The first three games were close losses. The next three were blowouts. I think the players realized Collins wasn't going to turn it around and were happy to see a change. The whole team started playing better. You don't lose 59-0 with just bad QB play.
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It was sickening to watch...I go to college in Arkansas and that was one of the only games that I got to watch all year...just an overall terrible performance from just about everyone.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
It was sickening to watch...I go to college in Arkansas and that was one of the only games that I got to watch all year...just an overall terrible performance from just about everyone.
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I'm usually stuck with Browns or Bengals games here. That was the only Sunday afternoon Titans game I got all season. Well, the first half of the game anyway.
 
#35
#35
Yeah I remember that

Jesus, who do you think was game-planning to be playing a deep-snow game in the middle of October? Especially if your team is based in the south
 
#36
#36
volfanjustin said:
I just don't believe he is that good of a QB, he is one hell of an athlete but not a very good QB. He does not have the tools to be an elite NFL QB, now or ever. He lead the Titans to wins over 8 teams and most of them were not very good. The Titans would win about 3 or 4 games without CJ. Don't get me wrong I hope you all keep him as your starter for a very long time.
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I don't agree with you on anything, but you are dead on. The Titans want to win, they need to find another QB, quickly.
 
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TrueOrange said:
yeah there's water everywhere in nashville right now

ABC just showed scenes of the floodwaters carrying off a school
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I knew it was everywhere around Nashville but I didn't know it was LP was holding water.
 
#45
#45
emainvol said:
I don't agree with you on anything, but you are dead on. The Titans want to win, they need to find another QB, quickly.
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This.

To say VY was THE reason the Titans turned it around it pretty ignorant. You can't deny the schedule got much easier when he finally came in.

Not to mention I'd say improvement is kind of relative....he had pretty much nowhere to go but up, and I'd argue if you have to rely on Young to win this year, then you're staring at another non-playoff year.
 
#46
#46
Who's said they're trying to rely on vince Young to win games? The discussion was actually whether he progressed or reverted by to his old "throw more INTs in a season than TDs" self....the stats seemed to suggest the former rather than latter

The Fisher system anyways is always going to be Run keying the offense and trying to create a strong defense; the QB is pretty much a convert long 3rd downs guy and manage more than game decider: they only want to lean on the passing in a situation where they absolutely have to, which also explains the past lack of focus on WRs

Chris Johnson's the guy they want to rely on; Young is the guy they want there so teams still have to devote focus on him and not solely key in on Johnson

honestly, they're not really expecting a playoff season this year, with all that turnover and youth on defense, it's not likely the defense is going to be great deals better this year, especially with the 2nd hardest schedule in the league

now if you guys are saying they're never going to win if they continue to lean run heavy as they do instead of more pass heavy like most of the league now is, that's coaching philosophy; it's not having to do with the players on the roster. The issue with change there would need to be with the coaching staff not the players

[not yelling or arguing; making sure the tone's not confused here]
 
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TrueOrange said:
Who's said they're trying to rely on vince Young to win games? The discussion was actually whether he progressed or reverted by to his old "throw more INTs in a season than TDs" self....the stats seemed to suggest the former rather than latter

The Fisher system anyways is always going to be Run keying the offense and trying to create a strong defense; the QB is pretty much a convert long 3rd downs guy and manage more than game decider: they only want to lean on the passing in a situation where they absolutely have to, which also explains the past lack of focus on WRs

Chris Johnson's the guy they want to rely on; Young is the guy they want there so teams still have to devote focus on him and not solely key in on Johnson

honestly, they're not really expecting a playoff season this year, with all that turnover and youth on defense, it's not likely the defense is going to be great deals better this year, especially with the 2nd hardest schedule in the league

now if you guys are saying they're never going to win if they continue to lean run heavy as they do instead of more pass heavy like most of the league now is, that's coaching philosophy; it's not having to do with the players on the roster. The issue with change there would need to be with the coaching staff not the players

[not yelling or arguing; making sure the tone's not confused here]
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OK, let's move away from the VY discussion. We seem to be split about him. I want to talk about Jeff Fisher. Titans fans seem to have differing opinions about him. I don't think his philosphy works, especially in this NFL. He is the NFL version of Fulmer, if he we coaching any other team in any other city I believe he would have been fired already.

So Titans fans, what are your feelings about Fisher and how much longer are you all willing to tolerate him?
 
#49
#49
I have no problem with Fisher. At all.

How long have you been a Colts fan, justin? It's like you are playing the role of lawgator in this thread.
 
#50
#50
IPorange said:
I have no problem with Fisher. At all.

How long have you been a Colts fan, justin? It's like you are playing the role of lawgator in this thread.
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Here we go with this question again, I have answered this very question about 10 times on this board. How long have you been a Titans fan, since they moved to Tennessee?

I am just curious about Titans fans feelings towards Fisher. I have heard many on the radio who are starting to run out of patience with him, I just want to know if that is the majority.
 
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