Kiffin may be in big trouble

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Interesting article. Especially the conversation the kid recorded with Kiffin. This could be a big deal or a big nothingburger. Thoughts?

 
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Meh

The conversation thing is a bit disturbing but other than that-believe it is the HCs decision who is on the team and who is not. Also the HCs decision of who plays where. Don't like it then leave.

Playing CFB is a privilege whether these kids believe that or not. If Ole Miss is continuing his scholarship, etc-he really wants the court system to put him back on the team (in addition to a boatload of money of course)?

It's very hard for me to see this "mental break" being treated by the player any differently than an injury. If he had hurt himself and his sub came in and dominated, would be really expect to get his job right back? Like or or not availability is a very important ability.
 
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Interesting article. Especially the conversation the kid recorded with Kiffin. This could be a big deal or a big nothingburger. Thoughts?



For the most part it sounds like a dead case. I don't know what laws are in Mississippi, but in Tennessee you definitely can't use a recorded conversation between you and another person in court if the other person wasn't aware they were being recorded.

That being said, if you can do that in Mississippi, this part is not going to go well for Kiffin:

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For the most part it sounds like a dead case. I don't know what laws are in Mississippi, but in Tennessee you definitely can't use a recorded conversation between you and another person in court if the other person wasn't aware they were being recorded.

That being said, if you can do that in Mississippi, this part is not going to go well for Kiffin:

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Each state is different man. Like in Texas as long as one person concedes to taping (basically the person actually taping,), then it's legal

Had someone try to burn me a few months after I moved here. Luckily, the most "offensive" thing I said was that "I am concerned with your job performance"

Tennessee laws are basically the same with a few finer points added on. At least they were a few decades ago, I haven't lived in TN for a while so I really don't keep up with it lol.
 
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This is not a good look for him. Ultimately, I don’t think he will get fired but I could definitely see him getting a suspension for calling a student a derogatory term. Doesn’t matter what transpired or if the player deserved to be kicked off the team, you can’t call someone that name whenever you are a SEC head coach and expect to get off without anything.
 
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I don't see an issue for Kiffin if the guy refused repeatedly to meet with him and provided no reference from his counselor or any counselor saying they were advising him not to meet with the coach.

You can't decide on your own, "I'm on a mental health break and I'm not well enough to meet my supervisor" without having some backup.

If a counselor was contacting Kiffin, they will have documentation of that via notes, emails, call logs, etc. If they were advising the young man not to see the coach, that will be in their notes. Otherwise this lawsuit goes nowhere, IMO.

You can't just "no call, no show" your head coach and expect to stay on the team unless you've got a pretty dang good and verifiable excuse.
 
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Each state is different man. Like in Texas as long as one person concedes to taping (basically the person actually taping,), then it's legal

Had someone try to burn me a few months after I moved here. Luckily, the most "offensive" thing I said was that "I am concerned with your job performance"

Tennessee laws are basically the same with a few finer points added on. At least they were a few decades ago, I haven't lived in TN for a while so I really don't keep up with it lol.
Georgia is the same (unless it's recently changed), only one person has to know.
 
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If the kid has a diagnosed disability, OM could be in trouble, but the young man has no right to refuse to speak to any superior. That is insubordination.

I work with children with disabilities for a living. There are extremely strict guidelines based on the Individuals with Disabilities in Education Act, passed during the George HW Bush admin. This case will be decided based on those guidelines I know by heart.
He would need to speak to the coaches, or the university, and let them know his condition, and present a formal diagnosis from a medical professional.
The article doesn't read like that happened. His mother calling them is not proof of a disability.
Depression can be a disability, but it is usually a mental impairment. There is a big difference between an impairment and a disability. His injury could be a temporary disability, but OM says he still has a scholarship, so no discrimination there.

In TN, you certainly can record conversations with admissibility.
Only one party is required to consent, presumably the recording party. You can't record two other people having a conversation and use that in court. Even law enforcement has to have a court order to do that.
One party can record, but they have to be involved in the conversation, and the conversation cannot be used to commit a crime.
Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-13-601

I think Kiffin was a bit raw with the young man, based on the transcripted protion of the conversation, but it seems this kid was avoiding contact with coaches. Not sure the player has a case since his scholarship has not been withdrawn. It seems he is facing consequences for not keeping his coaches and the university informed.
 
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Kiffin is a dirtbag, but his players generally like him because he has their backs. I bet Kiffin and this guy’s position coaches had witnessed a pattern of behavior that they deemed to be disrespectful. I agree with Kiffin, that if he requested the guy show up several times and the guy didn’t, he’s got to be kicked off the team. He tried to setup Kiffin so he could get a pay day.
 
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Looking for love in all the wrong places. Outside of LK area of expertise but sounds like he didn't point the guy to those who might be able to help. Clear lack of leadership by LK.
 
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Didn't do anything to help the kid either. Ole Miss has the resources why not refer him?
That "kid" is 21. Mental health resources on a college campus are not some mythical thing that no one knows about. In fact, that sh!t is plastered all over campus, and its all over where the sports folks are as well. I was on the Ole Miss campus this year and saw it with my own eyes. Plenty of doctors on staff that they interact with on a regular basis (including psychologists) who could have legitimately referred him if the need was there.

After reading what he is claiming I easily call BS. The only thing Kiffin is guilty of is calling a spade a spade (no racist) when a gen Z'er wussed out.
 
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I don’t like defending Kiffin but I think he was within his rights.

I don’t know the full situation but if the kid wasn’t reaching out to the coaches or providing any recommendations from licensed professionals than it just smells bad to me. Maybe he really was having problems but he’s a legal adult, he has to inform his coach in a timely manner and go through proper channels. Not just ghost everyone.

There is a problem of kids these days taking the idea of a mental health crisis too far. There was a girl who went viral because she was whining that no job would offer her support for her “time blindness”. Meaning she wanted then to ignore constant tardiness and completing projects late. She didn’t like being reminded that alarms had been invented for a reason.
 
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That "kid" is 21. Mental health resources on a college campus are not some mythical thing that no one knows about. In fact, that sh!t is plastered all over campus, and its all over where the sports folks are as well. I was on the Ole Miss campus this year and saw it with my own eyes. Plenty of doctors on staff that they interact with on a regular basis (including psychologists) who could have legitimately referred him if the need was there.

After reading what he is claiming I easily call BS. The only thing Kiffin is guilty of is calling a spade a spade (no racist) when a gen Z'er wussed out.

So it all on the kid who is happens to be 21 to seek out help? 28 years in the Navy tells that ain't so. Navy has poster for Drug/Alcohol, Financial issues, and mental health, some seek out help but others need help to get there. I had more than a few stand in my office with their problems, I listened but my first question to them was "have you go to that resources" if not then I made sure they got there. Those that came usually came to me because I was their Boss it was easier for them to relate to me rather than someone they didn't know. All part of the job and part of the job LK failed at.

JMO
 
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The conversation Kiffin had with Rollins is awful, but I don't know if he or OM is guilty of the offenses mentioned in the lawsuit. If a guy isn't showing up for practice and can't be contacted, even if it is for good reason, and when they finally get in touch with him he says he isn't ready to talk to the head coach, it's their right to move on from him as far as being a member of the team. If you need a "mental health break," that's fine, but you can't just go AWOL on a team and expect them to carry on like nothing is happening.

According to the lawsuit, OM's athletic trainer set up a meeting for Rollins with their assistant AD for sports psychology, so I'm not sure why the lawsuit also claims that OM didn't try and help him.
 
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That "kid" is 21. Mental health resources on a college campus are not some mythical thing that no one knows about. In fact, that sh!t is plastered all over campus, and its all over where the sports folks are as well. I was on the Ole Miss campus this year and saw it with my own eyes. Plenty of doctors on staff that they interact with on a regular basis (including psychologists) who could have legitimately referred him if the need was there.

After reading what he is claiming I easily call BS. The only thing Kiffin is guilty of is calling a spade a spade (no racist) when a gen Z'er wussed out.
Yep. Might have missed it, but did the kid have a documented diagnosis of a mental illness? Or is this claim coming after the fact? If Kiffin had nothing from his doctor, what do you do with a player who is a no show? Surely there had to be communication prior to the dismissal? Something just doesn't add up with this one.
 
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Yep. Might have missed it, but did the kid have a documented diagnosis of a mental illness? Or is this claim coming after the fact? If Kiffin had nothing from his doctor, what do you do with a player who is a no show? Surely there had to be communication prior to the dismissal? Something just doesn't add up with this one.
I think the mother asked someone to talk to him..but I dont know what became of that. Thing is if the guy had problems or was worried he should have sought help. On the flipside..being a dude and doing that I assume sometimes is tough.
 
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So it all on the kid who is happens to be 21 to seek out help? 28 years in the Navy tells that ain't so. Navy has poster for Drug/Alcohol, Financial issues, and mental health, some seek out help but others need help to get there. I had more than a few stand in my office with their problems, I listened but my first question to them was "have you go to that resources" if not then I made sure they got there. Those that came usually came to me because I was their Boss it was easier for them to relate to me rather than someone they didn't know. All part of the job and part of the job LK failed at.

JMO
What is it called when a GI doesn't show up for duty for 2 or 3 weeks? What could be the penalty?
 
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So it all on the kid who is happens to be 21 to seek out help? 28 years in the Navy tells that ain't so. Navy has poster for Drug/Alcohol, Financial issues, and mental health, some seek out help but others need help to get there. I had more than a few stand in my office with their problems, I listened but my first question to them was "have you go to that resources" if not then I made sure they got there. Those that came usually came to me because I was their Boss it was easier for them to relate to me rather than someone they didn't know. All part of the job and part of the job LK failed at.

JMO
I make sure all my managers give employees a pamphlet for agency provided resources (including mental health) at least once a year and emphasize to them that its all confidential. I've been surprised by the amount of people who actually use it, but thats a good thing that they are using it.
 

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